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post #1 of (permalink) Old 03-14-2003, 05:56 PM Thread Starter
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Anybody CA smog licensed???

OK...
If you are I've got to know a few things...

I'm beginning the trek into the netherworld of CA smog regs [img]images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

First, what I've got is an 88 Sami that's getting the engine and harness and ECM from a 96 2WD Auto Trannied Geo Tracker...


1) What would it take in a 96 16v engine swap into a 88 sami to pass with OBD2?
2) Will the EVAP sensors throw a code that would disqualify the smog pass?
3) Does the referee station hook into the diagnostic plug?
4) What codes will fail the smog test? How do I get around them?

5) Should I just forget all of this BS and get a OBD1 harness and build from their?
6) If I do go OBD1, will the ref look for casting #'s on the block designating year?

7) Should I forget all this and buy a Jeep? [img]images/graemlins/AR15firing.gif[/img]


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Re: Anybody CA smog licensed???

As far as I know , you smog it to the year of the motor so you will need the EVAP & all other engine related components. I would talk to a referre to make sure. Also ,let me know as I was considering this swap in the future. [img]images/graemlins/40BEER.gif[/img]
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Re: Anybody CA smog licensed???

My license ran out a few years ago, but I'm still in it enough
to hopefully answer you.
Essentially that swap is illegal, but you can get it approved.

All the engine related controls originally used on that ENGINE
must still be used, including the ECM.
If it was OBDII it must remain so. Yes, they hook to it.
ANY emissions related codes will cause failure.

The referee can issue you a special case permit if all emission
devices are hooked up and working on an engine that is newer
than the original one, and the devices/controls are the ones
from that engine.

But first you have to fail a regular emissions test at a regular
smog station. The referee won't make an appointment until
you fail a normal test - you will - "Modified/Disconnected!"

Then, IF everything is working properly, and IF the measured
emissions are the same or lower than the specs for that newer
engine, then the referee issues you a sticker and a "pass."

Next time you have to smog it, the test station simply scans
the sticker and then the computer knows what to do. You don't
have to jump through the hoops again.

Several organizations, hot rodders etc, got the
"Absolutely No!" law changed.
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Re: Anybody CA smog licensed???

rrich is right you also need the 96 fuel tank and dont forget the p/s switch
if you are gone to use your samarai trans tou need to check to see if the truck loom is right i know the hard way that the loom under the intake for a auto trans will not work with the truck loom from a stick..



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Re: Anybody CA smog licensed???

Hey RRich...

Good info... got more questions tho'

Will the smog testers check for the EVAP system? Does the EVAP sys throw a code? If not, who cares? The thing should pass, right? Or do these guys actually check for fuel tank pressure and do the visual to see if the sender is inside the fuel tank?

If I just swap out the OBD2 and go OBD1, ECM and everything... would that be easier to pass CA smog?

Sorry for the bother... but this is a job I don't wanna do twice

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Hey MJ..
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Re: Anybody CA smog licensed???

If the engine originally was equipped with OBD II, then it
MUST be used.

As far as Evap setting codes on OBD II, I don't know.

It starts with a visual inspection. The inspector looks in
the book to see how it was originally equipped, then visually
looks to see that ALL components are there and hooked up
properly.
The evap system: Technically all the lines should
be traced under the car to make sure they go where they are
supposed to, but they usually are hard to see so it's usually
skipped by the tech. The referee may not, so keep them hooked
up.
Some components he has to actually test, like EGR with a
vacuum pump for a stumble test, and the gas cap for leaks
with a pressure device.
Then he pulls codes if it's OBD II.
After that, even if it's failed some of those tests, he's
required to run it for actual emissions.

Then the actual emissions test is done. In some areas of
California they have to use a dyno, and check for NOx emissions.
Some areas don't use that - yet. Whether dyno tested or not
is not determined by where it's tested, but by where it's
registered. So coming out here to the desert where we don't
need to use dyno's doesn't help.

Sooooo - esentially ALL devices and controls that were originally
fitted on the body, like evap, cat, etc. are needed, AND ALL
controls and devices originally on the engine are needed
as well.
The end result is the emissions standards the original
engine had to conform to.

And - the engine must be the SAME year or NEWER than the body.
You can't put a '75 engine in a '95, but you can put a '95
in a '75.

Just getting that ability approved nearly took an act of God.
The way it was if ANYTHING was changed, """NO!"""

Emissions devices aren't really there to control emissions
much in normal operation, they are mainly there to stop the
emissions when the engine misfires or runs poorly. Many
folks don't maintain their vehicles very well. So essentially
most of the devices are about like running along behind the
horse with a shovel - just in case!

If you took off all of the emissions devices on a properly
tuned engine in good condition you'd find that it's close to
the standards anyway. But keeping them that way is difficult,
like balancing on a needle.

The smog laws really are there to protect our health, the
trouble is they are written by politicians that have no idea
what they are passing.
AND - their motivation is from the car makers - they can't
sell new cars if everyone has old ones, so the car maker's
bribes to the politicians (sometimes called contributions,
sometimes deposits in their Swiss bank accounts, sometimes
just skiing vacations, cruises, cars, and --??) are based on
new car sales. The politicians job is to get older cars off
the streets fast so they get more "under the table."
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Re: Anybody CA smog licensed???

have not done my swap yet
if you want obd11 yes you need
the fuel tank but you said you
have a auto tracker i ""think""
this loom wont work with a stick
i know for a fact that the loom under
the intake will not work with a stick
truck loom
obd1 is easyer as it dose not have as
many senser and all needed obd11 switchs
and senser need to work
your 96 eng is the same as a 95 so obd1
will work for you

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Re: Anybody CA smog licensed???

Unfortunately it's a felony to change the serial numbers on
the engine to make it look like a 95 instead of a 96, even
if it is just to avoid smog laws.
The referee will look.
All smog stations are charged with the resposibility to look
for number modifications. Lots of stolen vehicles are found
that way.

The law clearly states that whatever devices were on the
engine originally must stay on it.
When the referee looks at it, and when he hooks his scanner
to it, it will be more than obvious that it is not able to
get the waiver.
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Re: Anybody CA smog licensed???

like i say i have not done the swap but iam doing obd11
anyway more hp with obd11 and i have all the parts
i did not know they would cross the eng number to year
it sound like he should call to get more info there
was a web site but cants seem to find it now


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