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post #1 of (permalink) Old 12-26-2002, 08:47 PM Thread Starter
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Looking for GL-7 info, specs and the like.

My dad is looking into getting a GL-7, as his '94 Toyota 4 Runner has 218,000 miles and just lost 3rd gear. It needs other work as well, so he's looking into getting something different. He likes the Toy's, but they only come with auto trannies, and he'd rather walk than own an auto. The GL-7 is one of the FEW SUV's (he uses it more like a truck, but needs the space for his 130 lb "puppy") that comes with a manual tranny.

He is looking for gear ratio's of the tranny and axles, what is available, and the transfer case as well. No push button automatic 4x4's either, has to be a shifter. He needs something to take to camp, which is probably worse than some of the trails you guys have been on, but it also needs to hit the highway regularly.

Can anyone help him out, and maybe interject with your opinion as well? He looked into the Grand Vitara's and Jeep Liberty's, but neither have the length or towing capacity he is looing for, even then the GL barely meets what he needs.
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Re: Looking for GL-7 info, specs and the like.

I doubt the GL series would handle that much abuse . They just don't build them like the older Samurai's anymore , gotten too "posh" . Almost sounds like he needs a Hummer or a Pinz, maybe even a Mog . Have you checked Suzuki's website for info on the GL?
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Re: Looking for GL-7 info, specs and the like.

You mean the XL-7, right?

If so, the manual has 4.30's and the auto has 5.12's in the diffs.

The t-cases are the same ratio as the kicks, except the manual XL-7 can not use the Rockcrawler gears, as the input shaft is too long.

The XL-7 uses a GIANT rear diff and axle, and will never break. The wheel wells are larger than on the GV, and can accept a larger tire without lift. With the 2.5" lift, you can run 30-31"s. NOTE: lose the stock tires fast, as they suck more than a porn star.

And get the touring edition. No running board foo-foo, and no 3rd seat (more cargo area)

ANd but the 2003, the dash is COMPLETELY redone and very, very functional and good looking.

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Re: Looking for GL-7 info, specs and the like.

Oops, I meant XL-7, thanks Tim. He does not need a Hummer, thinks they're highly over-rated, and I have to agree with him. He tows his 16 foot boat to camp and back, so it's not heavy, but he loads the vehicle with all sorts of stuff. He doesn't abuse it, he uses it, which is why the 4 runner still has the stock everything (including clutch), but is starting to show some rust. He'd love one with a locking Diff, but I think Toyota and Jeep are the only ones available with those (TJ, not KJ). Any more info on them, like how the tranny is? The dealerships don't know crap around here, and they are an hour away, and the website shows nothing of specifications.
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Hey Tim, here's a thought I've been having for a few days....

If someone wanted to lift an XL-7 and build it for moderately difficult trail use, would he/she be able to swap in a GV t-case with the Rockhopper gearset? And for even lower gearing, one could install the auto's 5.12 diffs into a rig with the manual tranny.

I'd love to do something like that, but I haven't had a chance to get my hands on an XL-7 yet. I'd love to get one up on 31's or even 32's, ARBs, and armor, and use that for comfy wheelin' and towing my Sammy to/from more extreme trails.

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Re: Looking for GL-7 info, specs and the like.

Yeah man. The XL is a sweet ride. Still a Kick under it all, so you know it's worth it's salt. #3000 tow rating is nice.

The auto tranny is the same electronic 4-spd from late model Kicks. I absolutely love it. The XL-7 tranny is supposed to be a little more HD, and with a bigger cooler.

The rear diff is new. While the shafts are as big as a Toy truck, the Diff is bigger. Must be a 8.5"-9" ring gear. I haven't a clue is a locker app is out there. Might be a carrier used in another app/make. ARB will eventually make one if the sales #'s remain strong. Anything less than an ARB in an XL is a shame.

Ratio on the stick is 4.30. The only choice you'll have is the 5.12's, and you'll have to get them from an auto XL7, as the Kick stuff won't work/fit.

The manual tranny is new. Not shared by the Kicks. Hence the input shaft to the T-case changes. Here's the 2003 XL-7 TECH SPECS and here's the XL-7 PROMOTIONAL FOO-FOO.

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Re: Looking for GL-7 info, specs and the like.

I haven't a clue about Rockhoppers. I prefer to keep my greenbacks stateside when possible. [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] You know, I know a place is California that makes GV Crawler gears...

The t-case on the auto GV and XL7 are identical. Same for the sticks. An auto t-case won't fit the manual tranny for either models.

Sooooo, if they are selling Rockhoppers for GVs, the will work in XL7s.

Your idea is why I built the GV. Except there was no XL7 at the time, or I'd would have gone with that. Even still, you can get made crazy in a GV, and it's more fun when you risk rolling a 25K truck. [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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The wife & I tried out a XL 7 last year & ALMOST bought one but it was WAY too much money & seemed too much like a tougher version of a mini van. VERY nice inside which could be abad thing if you want to throw crap in the back.
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We love our XL-7. Plenty of room for our family and rides real nice. It is great in the snow and fares pretty well off road too.
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Re: Looking for GL-7 info, specs and the like.

"I haven't had a chance to get my hands on an XL-7 yet"

I don't think there is any shortage on the new car lots.
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