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Hey All,

I am getting a 92 Tracker with 8V EFI. I am cannibalizing it for various parts, including the motor. The target vehicle is a 88.5 Hardtop Samurai. Here are the questions I have for you folks:

It is 2WD 5 speed. I understand the transmission can be used along with the motor when it goes over to the Samurai. This would eliminate the need for the adapter, right? I think I read that the Tracker transmission is stronger but larger. Can it be fit with just some BFH massaging or is a body lift kind of required? I am trying not to get more lift than necessary in this rig. Is it a good idea overall to use the transmission as long as I am using the motor? Once again, this is a TWO WHEEL DRIVE Tracker. There's no transfer case.

I will be totally rebuilding the motor before putting it in the Samurai. I don't need to build it to have lots more power and lots less reliability, but building it to maximize torque would be good. What's available for the 8V 1.6? Should I just look at a cam or think about milling the head for extra compression or what? Just looking for suggestions. Reliability is key for this motor, but a little extra power is always fun.

I see a wiring harness for sale for this swap but its very expensive. It gets me to thinking...What does the wiring harness go to on the Samurai that needs to interact with the motor and the ECM? If it's mostly dashboard related, how hard would it be to carve up the Tracker dash and just replace portions of the Samurai dash? Both of them have a sort of 'pod' for the instruments. Again, just thinking of possible options

I even thought of putting the Samurai Tcase, suspension and axles under the tracker body and frame with the motor and trans left intact, but that's probably a completely ridiculous idea, right? I wouldnt mind the extra room and the fact that its a softop instead of my samurai hardtop...

thanks to any and all for sharing ideas.

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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

first we will start with the tranny..the t/case is mated so it couldnt be bolted up to the samy t case which is divorced trust me I have an 89 I am swappin as many parts as well but the only possible thing is a buncha custom work involving a dual case set up using the tranny and advantage of the mated t case behind it..personally just sell them both like I am doing and use the omney for a kit..as for me buildin my 1.6 I have a pace setter for it right now and I shall rebuild it putting a .04 bore and maybe around a 10:1 compression and maybe get the heads milled up a bit...as far as doing all your samy stuff onto the kick..not to good a idea it just reverses the complications and custom work needed to be done you could do a solid axle swap on the kick but that also takes a lotta custom work and putting samy axles under it would be a waiste of time due to breakage..if you ask me I would say put the rear axle under your samy front diff in the front of your axle for the gears sell your tranny with mated t case to afford a kit bolt taht engine it and I know you will be satisfied....that is what all I a mdoing
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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

it is a 2 wheel drive tracker no t case no front gears

the tranny can be used a new driveline and rear mount will need to be fabbed the tunnel has to be widened i have herd that a small body lift helps the samurai axles are narrower than the kick ones if you were to put the samurai t case and the samurai front with apropriate gears keep the kick rear
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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

>>it is a 2 wheel drive tracker no t case no front gears

Thanks for noticing [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

>>the tranny can be used a new driveline and rear mount will need to be fabbed the tunnel has to be widened i have herd that a small body lift helps

Thanks. That sort of confirms what I was thinking.

>> the samurai axles are narrower than the kick ones if you were to put the samurai t case and the samurai front with apropriate gears keep the kick rear

can I get r&p for the samurai diff to match whatever is in the Tracker diff? What ratio would a '92 5 speed have in it.
anyways?

I wonder how hard it would be to get a set of YJ springs under the tracker front.

gee whiz. I remember when life was simple. [img]images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

you can with a kit available thru most vendors install the ring and pinion from the front of a sidekick / tracker in the samurai housing ou use the complete kick / tracker drop out may need to change the side spider gears the ratio is probably 5.12 as far as springs custom mounts would be needed although i am unshure if the front axle would realy be strong enough and the driveline issue using a centered rear with a offset t case such as the samurai one but others run rear kick axles in thier samurai without the custom housings
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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

Daxe, I have a 1.6 and Tracker 2wd 5 speed in one of my Samurais. Using the Tracker transmission to avoid having to buy an adapter kit would not be cost effective unless you have a lot of fabrication skills and tools. The 1.3 tranny adapter kit is plug and play... this is a project.

The intermediate shaft has to be shortened (a lot) and the rear transmisson mount has to be modified .You will also still need a modified passenger motor mount like comes in the kit. You'll have to cut a hole in your transmission tunnel halfway between the tranny and tcase shifter for the new shifter location. I have a 2 inch body lift and the transmission does not have much spare room in any direction.

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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

Thanks, Brown. That's very useful info. I guess I will just spring for the adapter kit. Maybe I can find a home for the tranny someplace else.

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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

Daxe

Heres a tech. article on off-road.com that has some information about the engine and 2wd transmission swap you are thinking about.

http://www.off-road.com/suzuki/tech/2wd1600.htm

Hope it helps
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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

DAXE, Idid the same swap two years ago. And love it.I fowlowed the same article from the tech page.Had brent at TT do my wiring harness. and bought the motor mont from RR with the help of my wife had it done in a day! (what a women) [img]images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Re: kick motor/trans into sami questions

If you're planning on using the EFI, you will have to swap in the harness. The fuel injection won't run without the ecm telling it to, and the ecm can't do its job without receiving the proper signals from all the sensors. If you buy a harness from a dealer like Trail Tough, you will have to have a core harness to send in. You may be able to get the speed sensor out of the donor speedometer, but I've never tried it. Also, make sure you get the coil/ignitor module and the noise suppressor from the donor. One last word of advice...get a factory service manual for the donor and make sure it comes with the electrical supplement. The wiring (ecm, sensors, etc) will make a whole lot more sense!
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