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post #1 of (permalink) Old 02-18-2002, 10:11 PM
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In response to Glenn Wakefield\'s comment...

Glenn,

What give you the right to state this:

"Do you want safety? Or convenience? Have someone fab you a cage without zig-zags all over it."

Many people have bought the "zig-zag" cage and been VERY happy and safe with it. I have personally watched a Samurai roll at the melt onto this cage and was suprised with how well it held up. So impressed -in fact- that I plan on purchasing one of these cages later on this year.

I personally do not believe that you, as a vendor, have the right to make such a biased comment as this. Do you have proof that this "zig-zag" rollcage is any less safe than ones manufactured elsewhere? Do you have numbers, accident reports, pictures, anything that can validate this statement? No, you don't and it's another case of "Glenn's verbal diarhea" time. Don't you realize that it's this type of behavior that makes people not like your business or you personally?

Yes, I've purchased items from you in the past. And, I've thought long and hard before I made that purchase for many reasons and your ignorant comments is one of those reasons. I've also been happy with your items and I have told people this. I have also told them that I have a hard time purchasing from you because you run your mouth too much and in situations where it's not warranted. One would have thought that you've learned to keep your mouth shut when it comes to competitors products.


If you can show us proof that THIS "Zig-zag" cage is unsafe then I'll give you a public appology here. If you can't then you owe the manufacturers of this cage as well as all the owners of this cage an appology right here.

Bottom line: Put up or shut up!




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Re: In response to Glenn Wakefield\'s comment...

Ok guys......time out.....

Before this gets out of hand and ugly, let's take a step back a moment and consider how to reply and reply to replies.......

Negativity breeds negativity, pure and simple. More often than not, the issues become polarized and folks become alienated. Not a good thing.....
If we can keep this on a more positive note, there will be a better and freer exchange of ideas and opinions. After all, that's why we come here....
I'm not castigating anyone, but if the shoe fits.......

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Re: In response to Glenn Wakefield\'s comment...

The fewer bends the better, I would have thought this was common knowledge by now.

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Re: In response to Glenn Wakefield\'s comment...

OK....on to the meat and potatos as I see it.....Keep in mind that I'm not an expert.......

A straight section of pipe will be stronger than one with a bend or bends in it. I don't think that anyone will argue that point. The real question is if the tube with bends compromises the structural integrity in REAL life. Probably not when you consider a 2100 pound vehicle. I'm sure somewhere there are facts and figures regarding strength loss with "x" radius bends vs. straight tube. I really doudt that Petroworks or any other cage mfg. or vendor has this data available or has done the extensive (and expensive) testing to compare their cage vs. the others that are available.
In my opinion, any cage, if assembled correctly, will be better than no cage at all.......



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Re: In response to Glenn Wakefield\'s comment...

Hmm you mean youve never ever seen any manufacter say there product was better than somones else?? haha

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Re: In response to Glenn Wakefield\'s comment...

Just an idea.......

Maybe we can get Consumer Reports to do a test for us.....?

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Re: In response to Glenn Wakefield\'s comment...

I think the point of the comment was to stop bashing other vendors products.
This is not the place for one vendor to slash another vendors tires.....
Enough said!

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Hmm you mean youve never ever seen any manufacter say there product was better than somones else?? haha

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oops hit refresh sorry

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Re: In response to Glenn Wakefield\'s comment...

can someone show me this zig zag cage?
or a link.....

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