Mud in my Veins
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Paducah, KY
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Re: AK-47 GOOD, M-16 POS GARBAGE
I was a Marine from 97-01. I wasn't 03 Infantry, but as with any deployable Marine, I had an M-16A2 in my name at the armory that I went down once a month to clean and qualified with it once a year. I was NOT impressed with any M-16A2 I had. Every time I had it out in the field, from training in bootcamp to just at the rifle range qualifying, I had jams and mystery breaks. Did not impress me at all. I'm also a subscriber to and big fan of Soldier of Fortune magazine. Say what you want about those guys, but they stand 100% behind the US Military and want what's best for our boys and girls. They've had some bad words about the M-16/AR-15/M4/etc family always, but it's intensified since Afghanistan. The M4 carbines have issues with accuracy and recoil breaking things due to the short barrels (there are even shorter variants on the way), the aluminum receivers of all of them are hollowing out around the bolt/slide handle at around 6000 rounds (I had a couple M-16A2's that I think had this problem), and once again, guys are talking about how they jam up in anything but idealic settings and the lack of stopping power. Especially in Afghanistan where the targets are malnourished. The rounds seem to go right through them and they keep coming, even the "big" 77-grain match bullets. In Iraq with the Saddam's pudgy bullies they seem to be working a bit better, but again, not as well as would be hoped for. None of the "tumbling wound affect" BS they told us about in bootcamp. Shoot 'em a buncha times and hope you hit something vital.
My plan if the [bleep] every hit the fan was volunteer to carry the SAW. Same weak cartridge, but at least I had a belt of 200 rounds of it, and the gun was much more reliable. Either that or snag an AK off a dead guy.
As for the AK not being accurate, have you ever shot one? I own one. An Egyptian made Maadi, semi auto post ban rifle, made in about 1994. Admittedly I haven't shot it out to great distances myself, and only have a couple hundred rounds through it. I was gone most of the time I've owned it. However, at 100 yards you can get 2-3" groups without any trouble, just throw it to your shoulder and fire. I'm told by guys who are much more enthusiastic about shooting them that at 300-330 yards with a regular rifle you can get all your aimed shots into the torso of a man sized target. Not a tack driver, but accurate enough for killing at modern combat distances. Ever tried to shoot at 500 yards with an M-16? I have, good luck. The wind changes slightly and you have to totally redo your sight dope. The wind just pushes that little .223/5.56 bullet around. You'll notice now a days that even among the Marines when you hear of infantry fighting, most of the stuff beyond 200 yards is handled by the snipers and their .308's or the grenade launchers or machine guns. Everyone's starting to carry M4's now anyways, I'm doubious about their accuracy after all I've heard.
American or not, you can't argue with what works. Lay an AK-47 on the ground outside for a week. Pick it up, I'll bet ya $100 it will fire with at most a kick to the charging handle.[img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] Assuming no one ran it over with a bulldozer or whatever. Do the same with an M-16. Anyone wanna bet me $100 the bolt will even move?