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Miss my Jeep! But it's worth it

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Miss my Jeep! But it\'s worth it

Hello all....I'm 10,000 miles from my jeep and damn do I miss her. She's sitting outside in the cold with no top on and no one to drive her. But I'm here in the warm weather loading bombs and we're blowin sh!t up for you guys. It's a great job despite the lack of jeep! Keep your flags up...
pierced

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Joshuwah yes we taught them how to fight thier war and yes it did have benefit America interest but on the other hand we could have looked the other way in which case Russia would have taken over thier country.And just why should we fund schools and agriculter it's thier country wasn't making sure that they weren't taken over by Russia enough.They were free to make thier own choices and build thier own country. No one told them not to go back to growing fruits and other foods they made the choice to grow opiom popies. And just how are we to blame? Should we have let Russia take over? Then you would blame us for standing by and not doing any thing.And blaming George Bush either one for that matter for starting a war is beyond a boubt the DUMBEST thing that I have ever heard.If you want to blame an American President blame Clinton for his half hearted efforts when America Embassies were bombed that should have been the time we retaliated then quite possiblely the World Trade Center terrorism would not have occured because they would have realized that we wouldn't stand still for it.

Take care of the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves.
 
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If anybody honestly believes that the US is the cause of the problems of the middle east, I'd have to say they're crazy… These places can be just as prosperous as the US, they have to pull their heads out of the sand, their a$$es out of the middle ages and try to get an economy going. Some of these places there have a decent economy but look at the Taliban. They don't allow anybody to have any sort of technology at all… How the heck do you expect them to support themselves without the various technologies? Of course they'll have harder lives than us.

In Pakistan and Afghanistan, etc, the press is blaming the US for the anthrax, and other things. Guess what? How could these people possibly figure out that we're the good guys with the wacko media there only giving them the Taliban's part of the story and not ours. Most people there don't know all the aid we give these places (including $34 million in aid in the past year to afghanistan) and the current food drops. The majority of them are illiterate and rely on people literally standing up on soap boxes and ranting about things to get their news. How can you get informed properly like that? You become someone elses' pawn, which is why the Taliban, Al Queda and other terrorist or terrorist supporting organizations are in power and have the power over others that they have. They have the people brainwashed into thinking we're the bad guys.

As previously mentioned, do you think they'd be better off picking their own government (which we let them do) or let the former Soviets or the Brittish before them pick for them?

We wouldn't retalliate more severly for such attrocities because of Bill Clinton who was concentrating more on closing the US down to the US citizens rather than what he was supposed to do. He had no real foreign policy to speak of, no energy policy, only environmental policy. That's no way to win a battle or retalliate. The man was an idiot. Thank God we don't have owl Gore in office now or there would still likely be no form of attempt to destroy these groups…

Tim "Sandman"
 
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I didn't say that we are the casue of the troubles in the Middles East, their problems go back 1000's of years. We are however a major catalyst in the problems over the last 10 years.

Here's a good example... if you go for a walk near your home and you run into a den of rattlesnakes, what do you do? If you leave them alone they will likely not bother you. However, if you throw rocks at them and piss them off they are more likely to scatter and find new shelter. If you take a walk in you back yard one day and get bit by a snake then there are 2 ways to look at it. If you left them alone, then you must accept that it is the snakes' nature and then deal with them at that time. If you provoked them
then you have no one to blame but yourself...

We poked around in the den and we got bit. Now it's time to take care of the problem. All I hope is we learned something and won't be so eager to f*ck with a bunch of snakes again.

Josh
1968 Halfcab - SOA, Twisters, 35's, D44's(4.27), T-18, D20, P/S, Pro-Jection!
 
#30 ·
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let me just state..

"The only reason for the existence of the soldier is to defend the principles that civilian society represents." - Georges Clemenceau

and one of me favorites..

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and PATRIOTIC feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." - John Stewart Mills

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survival is instinct, but living takes guts
 
#31 ·
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Their problems not only go back 1000 years, but also back to yesterday and forward to tomorrow.

In all world history, and opressed nation, will band together 100's of small groups, with different ideals and different motives to force out the big nation standing above them.
Unfortunately, one of the major downfalls of man, is that as soon as the big nation is gone, the leading power looks around for someone else to opress.

It can be seen all through history. 90% of the good examples are in the middle east and especially the Balkan states.

Unfortunately what I see now on the news is the US government giving arms and aid to the northern rebels in Afganistan.
Who exactly had this bright idea, and didn't they learn from the first time?
If the US Army invades Afganistan like the Soviets did and the Americans in Vietnam I will be extremely dissapointed, it will prove that no-one is learning the lessons we are being taught.
And don't you dare say "Oh, but we have this new technology, and these new guns, because thats exactly what Kaiser Whillam IInd said before he followed in Nepoleons footsteps and got his ass raped in Russia. It's exactly what Hitler said before sending an entire German army to it's doom on the Eastern Front.

The American Government gave money and weapons to the ancestors of the Taliban, they did it to fight the Soviets.
Now they are facing the same problem, only this time they are fighting their prodigy nation. They are giving money and arms to the people they wish to use to oust the government that the US put there in the first place.
I can say with 100% certainty, that if this happens, the United States will face the same problems 25, 50, 100 years down the road.

It's a known fact that in several middle eastern, african, south american and asian countries that the United States aided corrupt governments in the fight against communism. It came back to bite you in the ass in Cuba and now Afganistan. No doubt other governments have done the same, but it's my belief that this kind of under the table dealing and proping up can go on no longer.
It's time to do it right for a change and start fixing some of the mistakes previous administrations (with the help of the CIA) have made.

With all that said, I belive the most benificial method of fixing this particular one would be too bomb the [censored] out of them. Invade during the summer. Occupy. Then build a non-corrupt (will be a first) democratic government, that is overseen by the United Nations. This government would have a parole period of 5 or 10 years. If ever this government did somthing undesirable, they would be given a chance to fix it (can't always get it right the first time.) If they refuse... start over from square one.

 
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Occupying Afghanistan is a very bad idea... Attempts to occupy Afghanistan is a big part of what killed the Soviets there.. Sure we pumped some weapons into the region, but the fact that they could be easily ambushed and such played an equally big role... When you occupy with a large force, you get your @ss kicked... Happened in Somalia when our forces tried to police them to help the citizens... When that occurs we have major problems...

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Unfortunately what I see now on the news is the US government giving arms and aid to the northern rebels in Afganistan.
Who exactly had this bright idea, and didn't they learn from the first time?
If the US Army invades Afganistan like the Soviets did and the Americans in Vietnam I will be extremely dissapointed, it will prove that no-one is learning the lessons we are being taught.
And don't you dare say "Oh, but we have this new technology, and these new guns, because thats exactly what Kaiser Whillam IInd said before he followed in Nepoleons footsteps and got his ass raped in Russia. It's exactly what Hitler said before sending an entire German army to it's doom on the Eastern Front.
The previous quote and the following quote seem to contradict eachother:
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With all that said, I belive the most benificial method of fixing this particular one would be too bomb the [censored] out of them. Invade during the summer. Occupy. Then build a non-corrupt (will be a first) democratic government, that is overseen by the United Nations. This government would have a parole period of 5 or 10 years. If ever this government did somthing undesirable, they would be given a chance to fix it (can't always get it right the first time.) If they refuse... start over from square one.
You just said invade.. Invade implies occupying territory. We can't do that here. We have to rely on our special forces and the northern alliance (which if you don't know IS the ORIGINAL government in Afghanistan and the OFFICIALLY RECOGNIZED government by everywhere now except Pakistan). A large force there will be exactly like Viet Nam was. These people use guerilla tactics and the only way to counter act that is to use guerilla tactics ourselves. This means smallish groups of forces and not occupying anywhere, just sneak in, complete the mission, and get out.

Most of these citizens in these places have been fooled by the local media into thinking the US is trying to kill all of them and they will try to fight back.. That is a big reason not to expose regular military units to that, because they are more vulnerable than a small force that can sneak around undetected and take care of business without presenting a big target themselves...

And about the US supporting various groups, it's also turned out alright. S. Korea for example. It's a chance you have to take, but unless you take a side you have no idea who your friends and enemies are.

About the snake comment, I kill it if it wanders near me, avoid it if it stays put, or shoot it if it starts provoking me.

In fact, now that the Soviet union has destabilized if the soviets had won those areas, they would now be in diasarray also... Meaning more fuel for the fire of their hate, even though nobody is really responsible. There is some interesting info floating around, might be a good idea for everybody (including me) to read through it all...

Tim "Sandman"
 
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Hmm, I suppose I did contradict myself.

It's been proven that you can not occupy the mountains, but occupying the cities, and open land, where large army's and American soldiers are at their best, isn't imposible. The Soviets did it for a while.
The probelm is that you don't know who your enemy and friends are. Unlike in WW2 where everyone had uniforms, Afganistan would be like Vietnam where the guys wearing black PJ's could be friendly or enemy.
The use of special ops is good, until they start enduring heavy casualties. ($$$$$)
I think this war needs to be won with propoganda. I don't know if it's possible, these people have been told since their birth that Americans are the Devil incarnate.
Also, I wouldn't call S-Korea a victory, there's still an outstanding armistace (positive point.) but at the same time there's still a DMZ on the 38deg paralell.

I'm sure every Arab same as every American can be bought.
Maybe the best way to win this war is to make them such a profitable country, such a rich nation, that they see Americans as their saviors and not enemys.
As found in Vietnam, it really doesn't help if you try to get people on your side, only to go and bomb the crap out of them 20 seconds later because there's a target nearby.

With that said, I would hope the US doesn't stop bombing Afganistan until Bin-laden and the Taliban are dead or gone.

And when people start bitching about the "Smart weapons" only hitting 80%? 60%? (dunno the exact figure) I think the US should spend 24hrs and drop the same $ value of HE iron bombs, and scatter bombs and show how fortunate people are that the US is using "Smart Weapons" instead of the rest of the stuff.

 
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Psycho's wife here:
First, thanks Joshuwa for at least giving a bit more insight into the situation. I don't know if its true (I'll check on it) but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. In short, thanks for not robotically repeating what the almighty TV says.
And Harold, Harold, Harold. Let's go through this slowly. Go up to your statement under Joshuwa's, look at the word "Free" and then go back a few. In saying that Psycho was "free" to say god-damn [censored] [censored] wholy [censored] cow, you were censored, just like he was, just like I am! How is that free? Just a small example of this country's hypocracy. I know you've heard that word implanted in patriotic song's since 1st grade (we all have) but please ask YOURSELF what freedom truly means. Freedom is never something someone can give you, but some will sure try to inhibit.

As ONE human race, divided we fall.

Oh, and the white on our flag stands for peace.
Who'da thunk!

'85 Scrambler under construction
5.7L Vortec, NV4500, and god knows what.
 
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I'll not weigh in on the idiocy being pawned off as lessons learned from history...because they are analogies that have no applicability to a nation responding to acts of terrorism. That said, for Psycho's wife, this is a BBS that many people read. It is a site where most of us consider others to be family. In my family, we don't sit down and chat and start 'dropping the F-bomb' as it is said. The reason there is censoring on this BBS is to prevent it from denigrating into meaninglessness when weak minded people find the need to try to offend others through simpleton, rude, barnyard language because they are unable to otherwise state coherent points. If you want to swear, go ahead, just don't do it at my coffee table. There is a time and place for everything. When you drop a T18 on your chest, you swear. When you're on this BBS, with this group of people, you don't. Some people seem oblivious to that distinction. The very, VERY MILD censorship that occurs maintains it. And just FYI, this BBS is not a public site owned or maintained by the gov't. It is private, and run by a company. And part of the freedom our country espouses is that private citizens and companies can run things as they please (to a reasonable extent) on their property. On this BBS, it means that the company maintaining this BBS can prevent the aforementioned simpletons from ruining what many have described as a "family show." So your argument is in applicable, misguided, and foolhardy, just as the arguments of many of your compatriots (and I use that word for irony) in this post are.

I Jeep, therefore I am.
 
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Mrs. Psycho...

True and absolute freedom can not exist. If it could, you would be free to rip out my tongue simply because you did not like what I said. Yet in doing so you have taken my freedom away... so who would *really* be free, living in fear?

A perfect world does not exist either. Therefore rules were put in place so reasonable people could live healthy lives in reasonable peace with reasonable freedom. If your definition of reasonable doesn't match mine, good... let us work it out and find a compromise. If your definition of reasonable doesn't match your government's, you can work to change the government's definition - that is a freedom granted to you by those who, with honor, worked and fought and died to earn the right of forming their own government. Or... if you choose not to work toward change, you can move to a place you would agree with more. Sucker punches using civillian transport to destroy civillian buildings - all filled with civillian persons is not acceptable anywhere any way no matter what. No honor exists in that.
To say that any country deserves such an attack for any reason is just silly.

I did not and will not say the U.S. government is perfect, it is not. However, I choose ours over any alternative.

Think what the world would be like if we all held ourselves up under the same microscope lens we use to examine everyone else.
 
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