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4x4 Rally - Billings, MT - June 24/25

Thought I'd share the results from my race last weekend. This was originally written to be shared with fellow Scout/IH enthusiasts, so keep that in mind.

Another fun weekend of thrashing the race truck behind me.. with another coming up in just a few days (july 1/2 in Lolo, Montana near Missoula, off I-90) No mud on the 1-2.. just dirt/sand drags and obstacle n' baja (aka long Tuff Truck course, and LONGER Tuff Truck course run for an hour straight)

-Tom

I had a fun time racin' at the Magic City 4-Wheeler's annual rally at the Billings Motorsports Park in Billings, MT last weekend.

I took 3rd place in the "Stock, 400cid and less" class in the mud-bog. I bombed through the 200' pit in something like 7seconds (I think that's right). In the modified class it was more like 10 or so since Pansy Comer blasted through the pit *sideways* right before I went.. I got out of the "groove" and into the goop.

Pansy has two first-place finishes in the mud-bog (1st Modified 400- and 1st X-Open ("outlaw" whatever)) while John Comer got.. 1st in the men's modified (I think.. maybe it was third).

Unfortunately, Banshee (their '74 Scout II with a small-block Chevy) "sneezed" on Mr.C's X-class run through the impassible bog (for the first run with Stock & Modified, it was a "fast track".. for the Unlimited/Open class and then a re-run of the other classes, it was IMPASSABLE.) with the Nitrous on.

Dunno if that was what did it, or if Banshee was ailing before that (so much mud was caked into everywhere the plug wires were grounding out).. but the small-block is now seized..

They didn't get to run the obstacle or baja. :-(

Spent $20 at the carwash on just getting Banshee's motor visible, and another $20 getting my rig hosed off well enough to find the motor and the tie-rod.

Bent my front clip from all the sticky mud that clung to it. :-(

I needed a new tie-rod for my rig since the original Chevy unit was pretty sloppy and had developed a "death wobble" on washboards.. I put a new tie-rod on for the obstacle race on Sunday, but Checker gave me the wrong short-side end, so I had about 2" of toe-out.. but they were calling for me to race..

7 minutes-something on the course.. I KNOW I could've done much better if it had handled well.

Comers didn't have the camera rolling when I first started, but at least they got to watch it.. I didn't get to pre-run (parade lap) the course, so I didn't know what to expect.. I was in 3rd gear low and *scootin' when I (unknowingly) came upon the first jump and... woaahhhh.. Little Devil left terra-firma well behind.. surprisingly, the landing didn't hurt. The SOA suspension soaked it up.. I tagged the bump stops at some point.. dunno if it was that jump or not, but it didn't hurt anyhow... felt pretty good.

Then I started driving nicer. I landed the jump, and things got VERY shaky. I thought I had dented the front driveshaft when I landed (I did rub the tranny shield).. instead, it was just the severe toe-out, and the 33" Mudders that caused the shaking.

I got it back under control and realized it wasn't a bent 'shaft.. but I couldn't really get on it in the straight aways even because the front end was fighting me so much.

The full-width axles combined with the toe-out to make me climb the sides of the course on more than one occasion.. sure thought I had a chance at testing the rollcage a few times.

Finished my race and did an inspection.. noting only the shiny spot on the 'shaft and where I'd hit the trans shield.

My GF Michelle then went back out and took a turn on the course.. she was doing well right up until the end.. when she finished off the 19gal of fuel. D'oh. I didn't think the Comer built -motor would be *THAT* thirsty, but it is.

Almost rolled while being towed out.. once again, the toe-out Buckshots grabbed the side and yanked us up the hillside. Without power steering, and the quick-ratio ( low assist) steering setup, Michelle had a hard time turning out of the roll, but she did. I then had to limp it back. <G> Well, until John Comer pulled up in my Scout with the 5gal gas can..

My friend Blair's '81 Bronco that he threw together last week held up just fine all weekend until the last lap of the 1hr long "Baja" race when he split the aluminum NP208 apart.. he was tied for 1st in the Obstacle race. (Blair is a one-time Scout racer and he keeps giving me his left-over parts (like half of my racer) so I let him hang out with me still. <g>)

The 350cfm Holley 2300 w/ #72 jets doesn't flow enough to run my 304 beyond 4000rpm. First pass through the mud-bog I thought it was getting wet when it was sputtering.. second time I looked at the tach and noticed it was sitting pretty steady just above 4,000 in 2nd.

I have the 500cfm handy now.. it showed up too late to be of use for the weekend.

I didn't run the Baja race since I was out of fuel and I had JUST put the old (worn out) tie-rod end (of the correct length though) on and didn't really feel like breaking anything BAD..

The new motor held together, I took a 3rd place plaque home, and everything seems to be in pretty good shape. Michelle ran her first race, and took home 1st place.

Now I have to spend another $20 or better making enemies at the car wash getting everything cleaned up so I can re-tighten various components and get ready for the next race in Lolo, Montana this coming weekend (July 1-2, near Missoula, MT)

This mud is YUCKY.

Many thanks to Super Scout Specialists, The Binder Bulletin, 4x4Play, and especially John and Pansy Comer, the Gryphin Racing Team.

This 304 *works*. :-)

Next weekend I get to run the drags and the obstacle course.. I might get my chance to show those Jeeps a thing or two..

-Tom Mandera, Helena MT
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'77 Scout II, Comer-304V8, 727, 4.89s, full-width SOA

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Re: 4x4 Rally - Billings, MT - June 24/25

<font color=purple>Hey Tom, sounds like ya had a great time. I'll bet that 500 cfm works out great with your 304. "Just enough" without being "too much" I'd guess. Sorry to hear about the Banshee engine [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif[/img]. John & Pansy came all the way out to both of my Top Mud Challenge '99 events in St. Charles, MISSOURI last season & put on a real nice show. Real nice folks & I know that 406 is new as of last year. Hope it's nothing serious! I'll have to check out your web site. Sounds like ya do your fair shair of racing [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif[/img]!</font color=purple>

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>Hey Tom, sounds like ya had a great time. I'll bet that 500 cfm works out great with your 304. "Just enough"
>without being "too much" I'd guess

I had a blast. I think this thirsty 304 Comer built could probably benefit from a little more than the 500cfm, but I think it'll be enough to keep a very large grin plastered to my face. ;-)

This is a LOT more fun that last season, when I blew up two different "junk-yard reject" 304s that were on their last legs when I put 'em in (of course, last season I had about $1500 into the rig from start to race..)

>John & Pansy came all the way out to both of my Top Mud Challenge '99 events in St. Charles, MISSOURI last
> season & put on a real nice show.

Then YOU are the guy they were talking about.. they were talking about going to St. Louis again and what a good time they'd had.

More than once the Comers were staging and one of the officials would comment, "It's a pleasure to watch you run." Definitely put on a good show.

> Real nice folks & I know that 406 is new as of last year. Hope it's nothing serious!

I remember when they started putting the 406 together.. unfortunately, I think it *is* serious.. but then, John *had* been thinkin' up an even better combination but didn't have a good excuse to build it..

>I'll have to check out your web site. Sounds like ya do your fair shair of racing

This is just my second summer of racing.. and unlike last summer when I spent most of the summer thrashing to put a truck together (and then put a new motor in right after the first weekend), the truck is ready to race, and I can finally get to the "enhancements" I want since I have motor that seems to stay together and RUNS well.

I'm disappointed I didn't get any video footage from last weekend to post to my site. :-( Oh well.. this coming weekend I'll have to remedy that situation. ;-)

-Tom
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<font color=purple>Yeah, I think they really did enjoy coming here last year. I managed to talk them into coming for the first event last year, but I don't think they originally planned to hit both of them (they were only 2 weeks apart). Imagine my surprise when they were among the first to tech at my second race! Said they had so much fun they had to come back - made me feel awful good to know someone that serious about racing would come that far to race with me TWICE! Woulda been nice to see 'em again[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif[/img]. Sure hope they get something back under the hood soon!!</font color=purple>

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