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post #1 of (permalink) Old 01-19-2001, 08:06 PM
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The Mojave - Closed

Well I guess all of us in California just took it in the ass. The GAGS got their way, the BLM caved, and as the LA Times put it "off-road organizations" agreed to it! Anybody got a boat for sale?

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post #2 of (permalink) Old 01-20-2001, 11:56 AM
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the off road groups that signed this, sold us down the river. This is total B.S. Cal 4 wheel was most responsible for this agreement and i will not support them ever! They should be held accountable and made to explain why they signed this bogas agreement.

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I read that Jeri Ferguson, a "consultant" for Cal4wd, negotiated with the GAGs and BLM. Did BRC participate? I'm sure CORVA did. Do you have any urls or newspaper articles that you could refer me to?

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post #4 of (permalink) Old 01-21-2001, 12:21 PM
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Taken from the Cal4wd website.

http://www.cal4wheel.com/alerts/OHVers and GREENS.html

I think it looks like we negotiated our method of our demise.

FOR INFORMATION CONTACT: FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Paul Turcke 208-331-1800 , Dennis Porter 530-221-4129, Don Amador 925-625-6287
Don Klusman 530-671-4587, Jeri Ferguson 760-956-2783

DATE: January 18, 2001
NEWS RELEASE

OHVers and GREENS COMPROMISE TO GUIDE DESERT MANAGEMENT

SAN FRANCISCO, CA - Using the bargaining table instead of the courtroom, a diverse group of litigants proposed to end a sweeping lawsuit challenging Bureau of Land Management ("BLM") direction in the California Desert Conservation Area ("CDCA") by filing yesterday 36 pages of agreements establishing interim protective measures to be undertaken while BLM completes consultation with the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

The agreements were signed by the Center for Biodiversity, BLM, and a coalition of recreational organizations who successfully intervened in the lawsuit. Among the issues addressed by the complex agreements are agency monitoring of wilderness areas and areas of critical environmental concern, vehicle route designations and emergency closures, livestock grazing, mining claims and plans of operation, water diversions, shooting in desert tortoise habitat and animal control. Paul Turcke, a Boise, Idaho, lawyer representing the recreational groups, explained, "It became apparent that these negotiations were going to occur with or without our approval and we concluded we would accomplish more actively negotiating instead of standing on the outside and looking in on the other parties' agreement. Like most, would prefer conquest to compromise, but were not provided that option in this lawsuit."

"Most of the terms affecting vehicular access restate the status quo or clarify the timing of processes that BLM was already performing" said Don Klusman of the California 4 Wheel Drive Association, who participated in the settlement negotiations. "There is a risk that these "interim measures" will be misunderstood by the public and will heighten distrust of government managers, but we continue to believe that recreation, like all resources, requires active management and we hope this agreement will further that goal."

Don Amador, the western representative for the BlueRibbon Coalition, another participant, added, "Some parts of these agreements will be unpopular. To the Center's credit, they were willing to stand for politically incorrect activities like burro removal and predator management where it has been shown that such actions could benefit endangered species. In the end, we think these agreements will allow all involved to get on with our lives under a known process without the risk and expense that further litigation would guarantee."

The agreements require Court approval before taking effect. A previous agreement signed by the Center and BLM addressing livestock grazing in desert tortoise habitat will be addressed at a January 25th hearing before U.S. District Judge William Alsup, where the Court will consider written objections of a grazing permittee and other parties who were denied party status in the case and were not allowed to participate in settlement discussions. The parties have asked the Court to hold a hearing to review the latest agreements on February 8, 2001.

The Blue Ribbon Coalition is a national recreation group that champions responsible multiple-use of public lands. It represents over 1,100 organizations and businesses with 600,000 members


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giving the gags and blm everything was a COMPROMISE?
With compromises like this we might as well as sell our vehicles and toys to the scrap yard!!!!

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"Most of the terms affecting vehicular access restate the status quo or clarify the timing of processes that BLM was already performing" said Don Klusman of the California 4 Wheel Drive Association, who participated in the settlement negotiations. "There is a risk that these "interim measures" will be misunderstood by the public and will heighten distrust of government managers, but we continue to believe that recreation, like all resources, requires active management and we hope this agreement will further that goal."

Yea, right don. Just ignore the gates and closed roads from this compromise. No, your not misunderstood Don, you made your point loud and clear with this settlement: you can't trust cal 4x4.

post #7 of (permalink) Old 01-23-2001, 12:53 PM
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For the whole story including a copy of the settlement go to:
http://www.off-road.com/land/we_got_screwed.html

Brad
ORC Land Use Section Editor
http://www.off-road.com/land
Vice-Pres. Rock Garden 4 Wheelers, Farmington, NM
post #8 of (permalink) Old 01-23-2001, 01:35 PM
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Well folks, this is the beginning of the end. People have tried to reason, negotiate, lobby, vote, "take the higher ground", “fight the good fight”, and a number of other civilized means to co-exist with the other side. We have put our trust and money is entities like United / Cal four wheel drive Assoc., Blue Ribbon, CORVA, etc… NONE OF IT HAS WORKED! none of it will work. All I gotta say (for me anyway) is the gloves are off, the negotiation is over, the ambassadors have been recalled, IT’S WAR. And most people know what happens in a war. By the way, You can bet your ass California was only the first casualty. Look for all the “public” lands to be closed in your state.

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This so called settlement is far from over. I will be attending a meeting with one of the people whom was involved with the settlement and negotiations. He knows the loopholes and this can be fought. also nothing can be published in the Federal Register which makes this settlement null and void for the time being. All actions by the BLM are now being reviewed by the Bush Administration. We are mailing the settlement with a letter of protest to congressman and the bush administration as a start. We will be discussing other options tonight and i will post what some of what we are proposing. The CBD nazi's suck and its time to get in their face.

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P.S. I apoligize to cal 4 wheel as all the participants were under tremendous pressure from the blm and CBD nazi's. In the beginning, the CBD nazi's wanted EVERY dirt road in the mojave closed. The settlement is what was done to aliviate this first proposal. The meetings were very tense and the CBD nazi's and their lawyers were back stabbing, lying pukes which didn't help matters. The CBD nazi's are one arrogant bunch of son's a bitches.

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