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Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

A couple months ago I posted a pic of an idea as an alternative to Hy-Steer setups. I got some great reasons from people who have done it why it wouldn't work.
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Yesterday I was on Avalanche Engineerings site because they were closing out of the needed arms for Hy-Steer for 65.00 ea. and came across this picture


And other than location of the tie rod, does anyone know what they are doing to make this work?

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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

yes.. the reason it wont work usually is because as you turn back and forth, the tie rod ends flex fore and aft and it produces a lot of play in the steering. they have overcome this by using heim joints and if you look close, they have tabs over both of the ones of the steering arms.. I would guess these tabs are to keep the heim joint from flexing any direction except parallel to the pitman arm.

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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

I thought the tabs were for a double shear reason.
So in theory if I tried it with rod ends, even with the tierod below the springs it should work?

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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

thats what I'm saying.. i did exactly that.. using rod ends..it had about a half turn on the steering wheel before the tires did anything. High5 also tried it and told me it doesnt work years ago.. but i had to learn it for myself..

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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

I guess I meant using Heim Joints (spherical rod ends) like Avalanche did, not like the factorty tie rod ends.

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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

I just went through this this past weekend. Didn't have anything better to do so I fabbed up the bracket and short draglink system. Here's the plan I drafted before the SOA:
http://webphotos.com/member/7612/122430.jpg
Here is what the angles actually looked like after SOA:
http://webphotos.com/member/7612/217521.JPG

I didn't take any pictures of the setup for one reason. It sucked greasy chain! Of course I had to learn for myself too... [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif[/img]
The tierod rotated fore and aft as mentioned and the whole thing bind up bad. My tierod bracket was pretty tall to bring the draglink to level and it acted as a big lever to twist my tierod into a nice S ! I conceeded defeat and ordered the MORE cross over steering kit.


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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

Elusive- I read your write up on the Hy-steer and seems easier than I understood it to be from reading some other articles. I already have the knuckles I need from a 44, so I guess I just need the arms, nuts, studs and machining of the passenger side. From your article am I to understand that the Avalanche arms use Heim Joints and not the normal tie rod end? In looking for PArts Mike, I found his q/a page but no products, do I just email/call him with what I want and order that way?
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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

thats the easiest way.. he usually gets back to you pretty quick if he doesnt answer the phone...

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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

Note:
I just talked to Avalance about their arms.
The ones on sale are their old flat style.

Their new and improved Hi-Steer Arms are featured on this page ....
http://www.avalancheengr.com/parts/s...eer_dana44.htm
... are their new "Twisted" version designed to prevent tie rod binding that are illustrated on that page. These are supposed to be far superior to flat arms in high articulation situations.

And yes, Tibor, I'm doing a hi-steer for a future project ...
despite that little poem [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]I wrote that Jeff liked (and you hated) so much.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
In fact, I just got the stubborn OEM arm off that Dodge flat top knuckle Dan Pawlic found for me ... after a month of soaking it with PB Blaster.

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Re: Alternative to Hy-Steer Revisited

The rod from the steering box is too short. The shorter the rod, the more it "changes length" when the suspension compresses. Why did they anchor it in the centre? Because the susp will pivot on centre if only one wheel compresses?? They should have followed the original jeep engineers and made it as long as possible. Just like a panhard bar, suspension link, etc, if it's short, it goes out of geometry quickly when it is cycled.

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