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post #1 of (permalink) Old 02-15-2001, 06:11 PM
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Steering Slop

I got alot of slop in my steering
I tightened up the box but I still float all over the
road
I got ahold of a free steering shaft from a 83 and it
helped for a bit
Now its back bad
What are the odds that the box is no good
I suspect the steering shaft is the bad boy
but replacing those with Flamming river is costly
Was wondering if the boxes have a tendency to go bad
like this.

My steering wheel will not stay true
I mean that as Im driving down the road
at one point it is a lil to the left of center to keep
it straight
then it will be to the right to keep it going down the
road
I held the shaft and turned the wheel from inside the
cab, and the upper part of the shaft seems to be tight

What do you think?



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post #2 of (permalink) Old 02-15-2001, 06:33 PM
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Re: Steering Slop

Have you changed the axles or lifted the jeep recently? I had/have a similar problem, and it is due to the caster angle being off. Lots of slop and the steering does not return to center like it should. If that is the case you should be able to pick up the shims to get it back to the stock caster angle.

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Re: Steering Slop

I find myself see-sawing the steering wheel just to keep her in the lane
The lift is a Superlift Softride (4") and it has shims built into the rear (I bought them seperately), but I dont see any for the front
Do you really think that this could be the prob.?
What deg did you end up with, or should I just call Superlift and see what should have been installed (bought used)I do have to swap the factory springs in for inspection
I will find out then if it still wonders. If this is the prob. (dumb Q here) what direction (front or rear) should the thicker part of the wedge be

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Re: Steering Slop

The stock YJ caster angle is about 8 deg. I don't know what it is for a CJ. If you have a factory manual you can check that, or call an off road shop. In mine it is definately the problem. When I put in the new axle it was very sloppy (0 deg caster) and when I put shims in problem fixed. Since I have lifted it, I need to do so again. Shims should be about $15.00 so if that is the problem, it is a cheap fix, if not, you at least have the right caster angle and now what it isn't [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif[/img] Hope that helps.

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Re: Steering Slop

oops, forgot. On my YJ and probably on your CJ you are going to want to place the shims so that the pinion raises towards the tranny. so thick side towards the rear of the jeep.

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Re: Steering Slop

I have some shims at home so I will call Super tomorrow and find out what came with the springs
I still have the same 30 in the front
but I dont think I got the shims with the springs
I think we are supposed to have 6 deg caster, not sure what it is now, but your right, would be a cheap fix, just need longer spring bolts

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Re: Steering Slop

Found out that the springs didny come with shims for the front
Am wondering if my prob might be the steering shaft

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Re: Steering Slop

Any other ideas?

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Rear Scout 44, Front 30 geared and locked
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Re: Steering Slop

It could still be the caster, did you use lift shackles (shudder)?

And to increase caster you want the fat part of the shim facing FORWARD, with the pinion tilted DOWN. Properlly you want the upper ball joint behind the lower.

In any altered suspension, you should have it aligned professionally, and tell them what steering problems you are having. Mine's a pure play toy, not a daily driver so I'm R&R'n my shaft, but if its a daily driver I'd suggest a replacement shaft, either flaming river or equiv, or stock from the jeep dealer. Steering is not something I play around with lightly.

Also check the condition of all of your tie rod ends. This was a major issue with my D30 before I swapped it out. Check to make sure your steering box isn't flexing the frame while turning. Invest in a steering box brace. These things have solved probably 90% of the steering problems on the BBS, and prevented them from returning.

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Re: Steering Slop

MY 84 CJ has SOA with 4" Superlift springs. My steering was really bad.

I first replaced the tie rod ends which REALLY did make a differenct on the road. My steering box was replaced next and I can actually drive the thing on the highway now. Before I got the steering box, my steering wheel was all over just to keep it straight. At this point I don't have my sway bar connected. I am planning on adding that next to be certain that its the best possible for the street.

Before the steering box, I was scared to drive it. Now I am finding myself doing 60mph

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