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post #1 of (permalink) Old 01-07-2001, 10:02 AM Thread Starter
 
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Bad day on trail & my club pi$$ing me off

Yesterday was a bad day on the trail for me. At the first stop I thought we were waiting to group up again; people started airing down; ok, follow the leader, I'll do that. I asked Jeff "How much farther to the trail?", he told me it was a ways yet but the road ahead was rough and airing down was a good idea...good...well before I know it we are on a snow covered road, my hubs aren't locked in, and I'm holding up ten vehicles trying to lock in, find traction and get my jeep up this first little incline. I am a novice. Please don't assume I know where the trail starts. I would prefer it, when we run a trail, that the trail leader announces we are stopping to air down and lock in.
Point number two, I realize we had a large group, late start for the size of the group; but the pace was too fast; many times I lost track of Ken in front of me; O.k. we have cb's to figure out what intersection to take, but remember the novice part? I would like to see the lines that people ahead of me take up different obstacles. On the way out Mark waited for me several times to watch me come over tricky spots, help if needed. Thanks Mark, I appreciate that.
I ran into exhaust problems coming up the big moguled hill. Somehow my tailpipe got bent up. Thanks for your help in spotting that Dale; it wasn't something that could be spotted unless somebody watched you drop over a bump. I pryed it into place the best I could and we moved on. Farther along, we were in some more twisty stuff and it bent up worse, stuffing under the quarter panel. I noticed it when the smoke from the melting wire insulation started wafting into the cab. I'd like to thank Frank for having a spare muffler hanger, Tom for the large sheet metal bolt to mount it, and Dale for his help in ripping the stock mount off. My jeep box will soon include those items. Now my wiring is fused together in the back end; I have no turn signals and no brake lights; Pat, (in front of me), informs me that my headlights are pulsing on and off. Great.
We come to a stop farther on. I ask three times on the CB why we are stopping and get no reply. Hmmm. People are trying to connect swaybars on a steep road, it sounds like we are in Beirut (Dale heard one bullet go whizzing through the air; not the report, the bullet). It is getting dark and I'm trying to evaluate my wiring. Is this where we are airing up? There is no COMMUNICATION! The wiring is a disaster; this is going to take a few hours in the shop to fix. And my air compressor isn't working. Grrrr.
Dale uses his air to get me up to twenty psi. He is going to run in front of me and act as my headlights in case mine go out on the trip home. Tom volunteers to be the brake and turn signals for me all the way home. A guest, Paul, stays with us because he is a Jeeper and knows what it means to help somebody get home when they need it. Have you noticed a common theme in this rant? Keep seeing the same names?
I apologize to the group for causing some delays on the run. I spend countless hours on my CJ repairing, upgrading and servicing. I am striving to have an absolutely capable and reliable vehicle to take on the trail. On the last run, some clutch linkage problems cropped up. Before I hit the trail again, I made sure I had new motor mounts and a repaired and serviced linkage. Also incorporated a suggestion from Zane's father; How would he know anything about it? Because when it popped apart the first time at Chinaman's Gulch he was under there almost faster than me. That's a Jeeper. That's a man I would run the trail with every time. Ditto Dale. Ditto Tom. And ditto Paul.
I have a few ideas in my head about what a Jeeper should be. You should do everything you can to ensure the reliability of your vehicle; you should carry spares for everything that might break; if somebody needs it you give it, no questions asked. I say to you, as a collective, if you need my spare alternator, it's yours; my spare fuel pump, it's yours; anything on my Jeep that will help you get home will be given freely, without you having to ask. No payment or repayment is needed or wanted. If you need help getting home, I will be with you at your side. If there is plenty of help, I will still be with you, because something may crop up on the trip home.
We pulled up to my house at about eight p.m. I feel bad that Tom and Dale and Paul were delayed in getting home after such a long day. I feel proud to be associated with them for the same reason. Paul said he may come to the meeting this Thursday. I hope he does, that's a man I'd like to run with. Today is going to be spent redoing some wiring; as soon as $$ allows my exhaust will be professionally done, mounted as high into the frame as possible, and as firmly as possible. I'm going to evaluate the wheel articulation, I think I need extended bumpstops in the rear. I will not be on the trail again until this is done; not because I can't but because I won't.

That's what I got to say.

Max

Thanks for listening; I'm just trying to work some steam off, and maybe someone with a brand new TJ that doesn't break down will get an idea of what that guy in the CJ behind them goes through.

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Re: Bad day on trail & my club pi$$ing me off

Wait until the politics set in, then you'll really have some fun.

I'd say buy them dinner, or a beer, or just help them out to pay them back. I've been there, and been left to fend for myself with a spun axle and no shackles in the rear, not fun. I only guessed at how to get back to town, luckily I'm good with directions.

I carry absoluely everything in the Scrambler, it's like a wrecker. Heck, we were out in the snow, and a guy punctured his oil filter, no one had a spare (4 cyl YJ). That was it, we towed him all the way home, not a good time for the tow vehicle.

A written trail rule in our club is that you keep the person behind you in sight at all times. This eliminates a lot of problems, you may want to bring it up.

Sorry you had such an event, there are good times and bad, just learn from the bad and move on.

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Max, sometimes I find it hard to figure out where people are coming from. Its just a fact that some folks will do anything they can to help and others will just drive on saying maybe someone will help the poor sob, not me. I've met quite a few really stuck up wheelers, they are usually the ones with shop installed Currie axles, shop installed fuel injected 350s, shop installed 6" of lift and shop installed 36" tires, shop installed Atlas t-case...you get my point. But there are at least an equal number that will help you out in any way they can. Hope your next run is better!

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Sorry to hear about your bad day.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif[/img] I hope you have better luck next time out.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/cool.gif[/img]
If I was you I'd thank those that helped unselfishly anyway that was appropriate, Dinner,Beer,Women,Money[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img], and not forget those that didn't and remind them how you felt when they breakdown or have some problem they weren't prepaired for.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif[/img] Sooner or later what goes around comes around.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif[/img]


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On one trip a guy in a GMC broke a rear axle. I never seen him before, but i stopped to help. He was going to leave it and try to work on it the next day. I drove him 20 miles to house for tools and a spare shaft. Then we built a fire and started the repairs, it was in November. His passenger just sat by the fire while we got dirty and cold, but we fixed it. He was shocked that i stayed and helped. Told him that is what you do on the trail. We have been good friends since. He now drives a built cj6. Another Jeeper is born.

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<<<<I'd say buy them dinner, or a beer>>>>

Oh, that's an absolute given. Three twelvers will be passed out at Thursday's meeting. It's not so much that I was in a bad spot; it turned out that my headlights and taillights worked all the way home, I just didn't have brake or turn. It's the fact that only three people stuck with me (out of about fifteen vehicles) and one of them wasn't even a member. Everyone else just scattered. If roles were reversed, it wouldn't occur to me NOT to escort the other person just as far as they wanted to go, to be SURE that there was no problems.

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[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Max, you need to always keep in mind that (1) you are doing things with Jeeps that God and Willys never intended; and (2) the TRIP is what is important and not the results. Breaking stuff and fixing stuff is what you WENT THERE FOR. The intricacies of getting a shot-up rig home is a big part of that, and leaves you all sorts of opportunities for improvisation and calls for those unusual solutions that later on you will look back on with pride......"We chained up the axle and came on home!"..... When I used to run a race car, we UNDERSTOOD that we could very likely come home with a trailer load of scrap metal from any race we entered; it was a part of that business. Another part of that business is the share-no share aspect of human nature. EXPECT as#holes to be present on every trail run, and EXPECT people to say things to you which hurt your feelings...."Get that junk out of the way, you jerk!".....it is just reality, and nothing will change it. There was nothing really wrong with your run except maybe a teensy bit of mis-expectation on your part. It's never going to be perfect, and people are never going to bee all good to you, but the ones who are will make up for the turds ten times over. And another thing....remember that you can deposit in "Bank A" and withdraw from "Bank B", so don't kill yourself off keeping track of who gave you what alternator or fuel pump, or who you loaned a spare tire to. Those things have a way of balancing out. I can see from your post that; over time; you'll get a lot better at this and your Jeep will get a lot better as well. Just remember not to pressurize yourself so much that Jeeping isn't fun.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img] The things that happen are not disasters or problems.....they are ISSUES, and they just need to be dealt with. By training yourself to think: "Issue" instead of "disaster", you will enjoy your Jeeping a lot more.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif[/img] That's just about the best piece of advice that I can think of to give you, and I hope you spend as much time thinkin' about it as I have typing it out.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Sounds like you quickly are finding out which guys are there because they love it and which guys are there for the social atmosphere. I'm lucky to have a friend who has a CJ5 and understands the need to work on Jeeps. He just helped pull my head off the 258 the other day. we got everything apart in less than 2hrs...

My advice..get the numbers of those who help you, give them yours. Offer to help them if they need help with their rigs. In my opinion, helping someone with their jeep is more valuable than any dinner or lunch you could ever provide.

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<font color=blue>Offer to help them if they need help with their rigs. In my opinion, helping someone with their jeep is more valuable than any dinner or lunch you could ever provide. </font color=blue>

Brother, you got that right. I've been working for a LONG time on the Scrambler buildup, mostly doing body work to the interior and structural stuff. It's hard to move the body around by myself, and having a hand would make life a lot easier. Problem is, nobody around to help, which greatly impedes progress. Same thing with the rest of the mods, moving the SM465/NP205 around by myself and installing it was a HUGE hassle, one more hand would have helped matters greatly. Same with the axles. It's amazing how much of a difference one more person makes.

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Max:

I had to look on your profile because the club you're in sounded like the one I used to be in...but you're in Denver and I'm in Green Bay. I always thought that it was an unwritten rule that you always keep the vehicle behind you in sight in your rear view mirror, and the run leader checks to see that everyone is aired down and locked in before starting out. Luckily, your "lesson" wasn't really expensive, and you met a couple of good folks out of it. Better luck on future runs and keep Jeepin'.

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