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post #1 of (permalink) Old 12-27-2000, 01:56 AM
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clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

Thanks to whoever sent me that 11 page printout of the upgrade. However, I'm a little confused about a couple pieces of the puzzle. I've decided to toss out my Delco distributor and go for the Motorcraft since that seems to be the general consensus. Can I get a procedure on how to do this? My Chiltons is real vague in this area. Also, when I looked in JC Whitney at a replacement, it still has the points and dwell on it. Isn't that what I'm trying to get rid of in the first place?? Or do I take those off when I get them and replace them with something else? Which bring me to my next point. The Dura Spark sounds like sound reasoning as well. Does this module fit inside the dist. cap to replace the points, or outside somewhere? I'm sure I'll have more questions along the way, so perhaps someone out there would be willing to share their email address to aid in my advances of technology out of the WWI era. Thanks to all.

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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] Dear Northwest Breeze: You must find a distributor out of a Jeep which has the electronic ignition to begin with since those distributors are already set up with a very reliable Hall Effects Trigger for signaling the module. Once you have that, you can build up the distributor as per the TR upgrade formula. Changing the distributor is easy, and there is a post on this BBS which outlines it step by step. The module that you would use is the Ford BLUE GROMMET module, and they need to be remote mounted where they are away from direct heat. When you do the TR upgrade, you CAN use the MSD6A aftermarket module to get even better performance and mileage.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

So if I just find a distributor out of a Jeep from '78 and up I'll be alright, correct?... since those had electronic ignition? Also...
1) Is this Ford Blue Grommet module a different device than the Duraspark I'm supposed to get, or is it the same piece with a different name?
2) Where should I remotely mount this module? Say, on the inside of the fender?
3) How is the Delco distributor so much worse than the Motorcraft I'm upgrading to?
4) Whats up with these Mr. Gasket Advance Springs that are optional? How do I install those?

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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img] Those are some good questions. Yes.....the 78 and later is the one you will want. The Blue Grommet module is the regular Duraspark module and the Blue one matches the TR upgrade perfectly. Yes...the module is usually right behind the Left Front tire on the fender inner panel which goes almost vertical. That's a good cool spot. The Motorcraft Dist uses the best pickup module and has a very high degree of reliability....important when you are Waaaaayyyy off road. The Mr gasket advance springs will pep up your Jeep by more closely matching the advance to the engine requirements. This has been researched and tested in the TeamRush Ignition Laboratories. You only have to push out the pin that goes in the distributor shaft to slide out the shaft then you can change those springs; it's simple and will give you the feeling that you have really become a true engine guru. When you install the special cap adapter on the distributor body, there will need to be a locating "pecker" to hold the adapter from rotating. If the distributot has no pecker you may have to make one from a piece of metal and attach it with a screw. That will REALLY make you feel like some high degree hot rodder, "buildin' up a special distributor". All of this stuff is real easy and will make your Jeepie burn ALL the fuel, and burn it at the RIGHT TIME. If this is set up right, the gas mileage is so good that you have to stop every fifty miles or so and drain the fuel tank to keep it from running over[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif[/img][img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif[/img][img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]....sometimes those moonguys get carried away......don't believe everything they tell you.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif[/img]

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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

Thanks for the quick response. I just ordered a Motorcraft Distributor from the local parts store as well as the BLUE GROMMET Dura Spark ignition module. He said it already comes with the wiring harness coming out of it, but not into it. I'm not exactly sure what he's talking about. Is this the wiring from the dist. to the module? Do I contact a Ford dealer for this? Also, I couldn't find the post about the installation for the distributor. How long ago was it? Also Also, with a cap and rotor from the Ford mentioned in the TR upgrade, is this all I'll need for the time being, or are their other special connectors or wiring harnesses I'm forgetting about here, perhaps that you recommend? Can't wait to start!

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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

OK, First off, Who ever sent you 11 pages of info on that upgrade probably confused you more than helped.
There is one basic truth in life: If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, Baffle them with bull sh*t....

Here is the rub, bub....

You simply haven't given us enough information to work with....
We don't know if you have a stock engine, a 4, 6, or 8 cylinder, or what the engine size is.

If you replaced breaker points with a GM HEI,.... That is acceptable.
If you have a 4 cylinder engine, the GM HEI is probably a better choice for your engine, and I can help you with getting the coil out of the distributor cap.

If you replaced breaker points with a GM HEI, .... That is acceptable.
If you have an inline 6 cylinder engine, the better choice for a distributor would have been the Motorcraft that came out in AMC Inline 6 cylinder engines from '78 to '90.
There is more wiring involved, but the ignition we put together uses factory parts you can purchase from any parts store, is very reliable, and will more closely match your engine's power output potential.

If you replaced breaker points with a GM HEI for an AMC V-8 engine, you spent way too much on a setup that is much inferior to the Factory Motorcraft distributor that Jeep used from '78 to '90 in the US. (AMC used it in '78 & '79)

If you want to do the 'TeamRush' upgrade, with the factory style distributor and ignition module, email me or CJ Dave directly, and we'll be glad to help.

My email is [email protected]

If you tell me what engine you have, I'll give you wiring diagrams, part numbers, and general instructions. (and some pretty specific instructions too!)

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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

Teamrush I would like to do the team rush upgrade on my 79 cj5 with the 258. what can you tell me about it? what parts do I need, how much should they cost? What should I expect to gain from this upgrade.
thanks very much


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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

'79 already used the Motorcraft distributor and DuraSpark ignition module...

What To Use For Replacement UPGRADE:
FROM: For A 1981 Ford F-150 Pick-Up Truck With A 300 CID I-6 Engine.
Distributor Cap Base, (adaptor)
Distributor Cap,
Rotor,

Use premium grade ignition hardware. Brass terminals in the cap, ect.

You will need spark plug wires. Late model Jeep, '92 and newer with I-6 engine seem to fit well.

IF you choose to go the extra mile and change the coil.
These parts will be worth the money!
COIL, '92 Ford Escort Ignition coil.
Coil connector, NAPA P/N ICC-1


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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

I am starting to collect the items I need to do this on a '76 304. First-is it worth getting a junkyard distributer? If so off what Ford engines? Second on the drive gears, do I just get the normal distributer drive gears for my Presolite or is there another set for the Ford stuff on an AMC cam? I do not know if all engines are standard. I want to replace the gears and not reuse the old stuff since I have rebuilt the engine and still have it apart. I know-that question is dumb after asking for a boneyard distributor, but can't really see too much of the distributer wearing out, not like the gears that drive the oil pump also. I also see timing probs with worn gears and after a frame up resto with nearly everything redone, I am sure there will enough bugs to work out. As always, thanks for the help.

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Re: clarifications on the Team Rush upgrade

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*I am starting to collect the items I need to do this on a '76 304. First-is it worth getting a junkyard distributer?*

Normally not. They haven't made this distributor since '90, so anything you get from a junk yard is at least 12 years old.
If you do find one that has been replaced, you don't know what was done to the thing... You know how off-roaders are...
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*If so off what Ford engines?*

No Ford engines...
Motorcraft cast and built this distributor strictly for AMC/ Jeep and it was never used in any Ford product.
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*Second on the drive gears, do I just get the normal distributer drive gears for my Presolite or is there another set for the Ford stuff on an AMC cam? I do not know if all engines are standard.*

Standard back to '68, I don't know about older than '68 yet.
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*I want to replace the gears and not reuse the old stuff since I have rebuilt the engine and still have it apart. I know-that question is dumb after asking for a boneyard distributor, but can't really see too much of the distributer wearing out, not like the gears that drive the oil pump also.*

The distributor gear on the V-8 engines is almost always worn completely out.
The distributor gear, the timing chain gear, and the fuel pump eccentric get NO OIL on the AMC V-8.
Every one I have in the shop here, I-6 & V-8, has both top and bottom bushings shot, the vacuum advance is shot, and usually the centrifugal advance assembly needs large amounts of help... Not to mention the thrust washers are shot, letting the rotor jump up into the cap terminals and pulling up and down on the oil pump drive shaft...
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*I also see timing probs with worn gears and after a frame up resto with nearly everything redone, I am sure there will enough bugs to work out.*

I agree, you don't need another problem from a shot distributor...
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*As always, thanks for the help.*

No prob. You help people here with good info, it's the least I can do...
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