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post #1 of (permalink) Old 09-30-2000, 06:42 PM
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Needing moral support...

To spring over, or not to spring over... This is the question.

My springs have sagged to the point that with the new 36's, its time for some additional lift...
The 4" superlift SUA springs have sagged (and softened <G>) over the past few years, and I'm very happy with the ride, I mean I just started noticing some lean in the corners (and of course, no swaybar) [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/laugh.gif[/img]

Options include swapping shackes with Alec78Cj for probably 1/4" of lift. New springs, or SOA with my current springs.
I have the torch and welder nessecary for the spring over, the garadge may be coming in a few months...

So, to spring over, or not to spring over.


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post #2 of (permalink) Old 09-30-2000, 07:22 PM
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Re: Needing moral support...

Go for it .. you won't be unhappy with it, unless of course, you screw up .. then you can blame no-one but yourself, and you will be unhappy with yourself and ...

Or the other option is to take it to a shop that has done it. If they screw up, you can sue the pants off of them (or make them do it right <grin>)

BTW: This is supposed to be a mix of funny and serious .. but seriously, go for it, you are used to the height of 4" of lift, its time for a bit more, but your 36" tires will look small .. hmm .. 38.5"?

Which axles are you runnin'? Your sig does not say .. if its D44 axles its strong enuf .. if not, you might be takin' a chance ... anyway .. enuf outta me!

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post #3 of (permalink) Old 09-30-2000, 07:33 PM
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Re: Needing moral support...

I'm in process of doing it right now (using own welder, angle finder, grinding tools, and lots of elbow grease).
The old springs will be used though (with additional add a leaf springs), I figure they're plenty flexy. Welding the perches is done and now I am painting the housings. Also thinking about putting single tube trusses for the 20. Putting Detroit on the rear and 4:10. Doubt it if I'll be finished by Dec.
I say, just do it but do it right!
I couldn't wait until it's done.


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post #4 of (permalink) Old 09-30-2000, 07:59 PM
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Re: Needing moral support...

Yeah, I guess I did neglect the axles I have and the tires... I probably need to update my profile and sig.

I have a D44 front from a J-10, and a Ford 9" rear from a Lincon Mark V whaleboat. The jeep currently has a new set of 36X12.5X15 superswampers, nessitated by a thronbird liberating itself from the jeep while going down the road...

I figure using the sagged 4" springs SOA will be a huge increase, and will nessicate a rope ladder for each entryway... (already have a real slick way of doing that...) 38.5"'s are not nessecary... I already tested the 36's, and they're more than I'll need... well, maybe not more, but exactly what I need...

The rear will be simple to spring over, just new perches on top, and swinging the springs... the front, will need the cast section massively ground down to accept the spring... other than that, I think the thing is otherwise setup... I think the steering will be ok, it might need alittle help, and I think the tie-rod will go over the springs, if not, it'll go through them, which will need some massive re-work... in which case, I'll be getting new stiff arched SUA springs... [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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post #5 of (permalink) Old 09-30-2000, 09:35 PM
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Re: Needing moral support...

Also dont forget that you will need longer driveshafts if you go SOA. Probably the CV style. But I can tell you it is worth every penny and amount of work that you put into it. especially if you reverse the shackles.

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2000 TJ

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"Confucious didn't know jack about Jeeps"
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Re: Needing moral support...

i don't think you will get many votes for spring under, but i like SUA (i converted my ford dana 44 and dodge dana 60 from SOA to SUA when i swapped them in) now a few folks looked at me like i'm crazy, but i don't claim to be completely sane.

anyway, i turned my U-bolts upwards, moved up the lower shock mounts and got the steering way up. the idea was to clean up the under side and
use the springs to help protect, mainly the front drive shaft. i figure leaf springs can take a beating pretty well.
i'm also a big fan of keeping your center of gravity as low as you can. my drive train is lowered in the frame and i use a 2" body lift to help with tire fitting problems. [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Re: Needing moral support...

I have to agree with 3/4 ton on the SUA idea. In a bind on rocks is the last place you need to find out how poorly the axle is wrapping and grinding those yokes away. If you like the ride you have now, send a spring to National Spring and they can send you a set back with the arch (and length) you need plus nearly the same ride quality you have now. They have done great things for different vehicles I have owned - and the packs last.



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post #8 of (permalink) Old 09-30-2000, 11:30 PM
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George, you have a welder, a torch, a grinder, me, alec, and i'm sure we can get Lee's garage for a 12 pack of whatever cheap beer he drinks....what else do you need to know? hahahaha...seeya at work in the morn!

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Whoops, almost forgot...

George, Springovers are from the Earth...they were put here for you and for me...to clear BIGGER mud tires...take adavantage!!!

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post #10 of (permalink) Old 10-01-2000, 07:40 AM
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Re: Needing moral support...

Body lift is somewhat out of the question... If nothing else that means re-engineering the side steps... [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/crazy.gif[/img]

I don't think I'm going SOA, the time commitment just isn't there... even if it won't take too long, my projects seem to have alot of un-forseen problems...

how expensive are national springs...? and who else makes the best springs that I can get for the lowest $$$... Just the springs, I obviously have everything else figured out... [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif[/img]


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