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**DONOTDELETE** 09-28-2000 05:34 PM

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Here is something one of my competition buddies sent me. Excuse the text layout. I didnt have time to clean it up! Chad

1985 CJ-7 258/TR upgrade/4"superlift/2" bodylift 33x12.50 BFG mt/Ramsey Platinum 9000,Tomkin tire combo,etc,etc.

mudslide 09-28-2000 06:45 PM

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Oh,this is too good.I wish I could get some of these as bumper stickers.Im very aware and very afraid of this falling into place{banning,outlawing,etc.}Thats why I try and tell people the need to join the NRA.Remember...No guns,no hunters.No hunters,no funds to pay for National Forests and we know what that means for wheelin![sad]

Criminals prefer unarmed victims!Al Gore wants your firearms!Defend 2nd Ammendment

**DONOTDELETE** 09-28-2000 09:58 PM

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Anyone comes to take my guns, they'll get them LEAD FIRST!!!!
Screw the anti gun idiots.


WildCJ5 09-28-2000 10:19 PM

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By Charles Maxwell

a.. An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.

b.. A gun in the hand is better than a cop on the phone.

c.. Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface. (or SamColt,

d.. Gun control is not about guns; it's about control.

e.. If guns are outlawed, can we use swords?

f. If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words (or vice

g.. Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.

h.. If you don't know your rights you don't have any.

i.. Those who trade liberty for security have neither.

j.. The United States Constitution (c) 1791. All Rights Reserved.

k.. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

l.. The Second Amendment is in place in case they ignore the others.

m.. 64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday.

n.. Guns only have two enemies: Rust and Politicians...

p.. You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.

q.. 911 - government sponsored Dial a Prayer.

r.. Assault is a behavior, not a device.

s.. Criminals love gun control - it makes their jobs safer.

t.. If Guns cause Crime, then Matches cause Arson.

u.. Only government that is afraid of its citizens try to control them.

v.. You only have the rights you are willing to fight for.

w.. Know guns, know peace and safety. No guns, no peace nor safety.

x.. When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.

y.. The American Revolution would never have happened with Gun Control.

z. "...a government ... by the people, for the people..."


**DONOTDELETE** 09-28-2000 10:25 PM

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My sentaments exactlt Gary couldn't have said it better myself.

joeybcdt 09-28-2000 11:14 PM

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Personally, I like to compare the 2nd amendment to the 1st amendment. If we are willing to "limit" our 2nd ammendment rights, what will stop us from limiting so-called "free speech" and "freedom of religion"? Nothing! That usually shuts the bleeding-hearts up.

What about "assault rifles"? Assault rifles were banned in 1938. In order to own one, you have to pay a $200.00 "fee", subject yourself to a background check, and have the class III weapon available for inspection by the BATF at ANY time, essentially giving the BATF permmission to search your property "at will". Anyone know HOW MANY CRIMES HAVE BEEN COMMITTED WITH A LEGALLY OWNED ASSAULT RIFLE SINCE 1938? That answer would be ONE (1)!!!!!!!! (sorry for all the yelling. I get a little worked up on this subject.) If I'm not mistaken, the ONE crime committed was by a Dallas peace-officer in the 40's. And "Only police and military should have guns"?


"An armed society is a polite society."

**DONOTDELETE** 09-28-2000 11:23 PM

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True. Every last one: true.

Remember: Al Gore must squat to piss because he paid a woman consultant to teach him how to look like a man.

Remember: Al Gore wants you disarmed and defenseless.

Remember: If you don't vote, you shouldn't bitch later.

<font color=blue>45-auto
Bone stock '81 CJ7.
"You can always see it coming. But you can never stop it."
-- Cowboy Junkies.
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**DONOTDELETE** 09-28-2000 11:35 PM

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All these rabid anti ASSULT WEAPONS bills that have gone through in recent
years are all total B.S. As previously posted assult weapons have been banned
since '38. Asuault weapons are ones that are capable of automatic fire. All the
so called assult weapons in recent laws are just ones that have a physical re-
sembalance to military weapons. They have no higher a fire rate than semiauto
hunting fifles, which in many cases use a higher power round than the so called
assault weapons. It's just political B.S.


**DONOTDELETE** 09-28-2000 11:54 PM

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You're right, of course. But Gore and the liberals are not interested in the problem of violence in this country. They're interested in crushing the "gun culture" because "the gun culture" is conservative, self-reliant and scary as hell if you're a liberal.

If you're a liberal you want to CONTROL people and that gets goddamn difficult if the people are in a position to shoot your ass when you come to confiscate their internal combusion engines, check their houses for contraband Confederate flags, conservative political tracts or whatever.


And if the country is full of stupid, ignorant, fearful sheep who actually believe Bill Clinton deserves anything more than prison, you'll get those nasty guns banned simply on the basis of their appearance.

And you'll move on from there to whittle "the gun culture" away piece by piece.

So vote for Bush and try to salvage something from the mess the Clintons and Gores have made of this country.

<font color=blue>45-auto
Bone stock '81 CJ7.
"You can always see it coming. But you can never stop it."
-- Cowboy Junkies.
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Smokngun 09-29-2000 01:54 AM

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Sorry guys, I hate the word "Banned". So I will correct the above. Class 3 firearms (Assault Rifles, Belt fed weapons, sub guns etc. ) have been RESTRICTED, not banned since 1938. I mean NO flame by this, I just hate seeng the words "Banned" and "Guns" in the same sentence. Check out the firearms link on my web page to see some of the full autos that a friend of mine (private citizen, not a dealer) owns in WI. then click on the "Hunting/Shooting/Guns" link on this page. It takes a while to load so you might want to open it in a new window. Cool guns!
Join the NRA!

Mike H.
<font color=blue>1983 CJ-7 Laredo</font color=blue>
2000 Durango SLT

I can't go to work today...the voices said "Stay home and clean your guns!"

**DONOTDELETE** 09-29-2000 02:35 AM

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Maybe if we paint them red, pink, or maybe yellow they won't be scared, it's their colors after all!

**DONOTDELETE** 09-29-2000 09:01 AM

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To add to 45's post...

The whole media blaming "Assault Rifles" cracks me up as well. Seems like they've found a word that sounds ominous and strikes fear into the hearts of anti-gunners. An "assult rifle" in it's basic form is a semi-auto rifle, short-barreled perhaps with a muzzle break or flash suppressor, maybe a black handguard or bipod, etc. Oooh, it's still a single shot rifle like any other rifle. They make it sound like it is a full-auto, spray the area with bullets like the movies! I guess ignorance is bliss and it helps sell their misguided agenda. Like the other guys have said, there is a lenghty process to be able to possess a working machine gun. Maybe if they put more efforts into making people responsible for their own actions instead of blaming guns, society, their parents, etc.

Join the NRA! I love this one cause it cuts to the chase...
"64,999,987 firearms owners killed no one yesterday"

So we should all be penalized for the actions of a few stupid criminals? I think not. Vote Bush in boys! Gore scares the hell out of me!

Steve M
1976 CJ-7, 304, TH400, Q-Trac, 4:10's, 33x12.5 Goodyear MT's, rotten floorboards, cheesy aluminum tub overlay, you get the idea....

"Heavy guns - Reach out and touch someone"

**DONOTDELETE** 09-29-2000 02:18 PM

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Smokngun, the reason I used the word "banned" was that they are effectively.
I know a number of people who have applied for those "permits" from the BATF
and have been flat out refused. They are vets with honorable discharges and
no criminal record of any kind. The feds just delay and put up so many road
blocks that the average person doesn't have the time or resources to fight them.
For all intents and purposes full autos are banned. Many others just refuse to
apply because of the feds ability to "invade your home" at any time to inspect.


**DONOTDELETE** 09-29-2000 03:01 PM

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I don't know about that. I live near a FFL that deals more in MG's to Civilians than to Law Enforcement. He does several million in MG's a year.
The ATF cannot deny your application (Form 4) for no reason. Part of the Form 4 process, you need the CLEO (Chief Law Enforcement Officer) in your city or town to sign the Form 4 before it goes to the BATF. This is where people usually get denied. The CLEO can refuse to sign without a reason.

After you get a CLEO sign off, the process takes about 90 days. You need to pay a $200 NFA Tax. Your NFA Tax stamp is then sent to your FFL, you can then pickup the NFA weapon with the Tax stamp.

Also, the private ownership of Machine Guns does not invalidate your 4th ammendment rights (illeagle search and seizure). You only give up your 4th ammendment rights if you get an FFL. But a Form 4 is NOT an FFL.

So in essence, there is no Machine Gun Permit unless you count the Class 3 FFL. Civilian ownership of a MG simply falls under the NFA of 1934.

Here is a link to my web page that has a detailed process of how to purchase a machinegun.

Jay C.

I know what you're thinking. Did he fire six shots or only five?

**DONOTDELETE** 10-01-2000 04:13 AM

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Several million a day is an average of roughly 3 a day every day. That's at $2,000 each. Seems like alot of civillian MG's. Don't mind me I just like to question numbers. I also question authority. Seriously the only bottom line here is to get out and VOTE, encourage all you know who are like minded to also VOTE.
Favorite caliber: 22-250
Favorite gun: Gunsite 45auto
See you at the polls!!!!!

"When in doubt go faster"
'64 CJ5, 351W, T-18

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