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Regsitered to Vote - & not just doing MY part...

Yes, I am now registered to vote! And I am not just doing MY part, I talked my wife into registering too [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

That's 2 votes for Bush come election day - you can bet on that! [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

You've got till Friday to register if you haven't yet... and this is one heck of a good time to get in the game - we stand to lose a lot if Gore gets in office [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif[/img]



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2 more for Bush.My wife and I.Hey thats another 4 up on the other guy.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/wink.gif[/img]

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Believe me, I get ill when I consider the possibility of a Gore administration, but I've recently been learning about the Libertarian ideology and Harry Browne's candidacy for president. Though he has no shot at winning this November, he stands for a TRUE constitutional federal government, much more so than good ole George Dubyah.

So I feel compelled to vote Libertarian, but I don't know if I could live with the guilt if Gore was announced the winner on 8 November. But people voting Libertarian now is the only way the party will be able to compete in the future. If you want to find out more about the Libertarian ideology, or haven't at least heard of Harry Browne, go to www.harrybrowne2000.org.

BTW-Libertarians favor repealing all gun laws and oppose government control of public land (which are two issues that I've noticed come up often on this board).

Just food for thought and I wanted to let others be aware of third party candidates. Goodness knows that the media doesn't do a fair job representing all candidates.


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Third Party votes - thrown away

Although I can really understand your desire to vote third party - you have to realize that it will only serve to HELP Gore get into office...

You have to understand that this is not as simple as voting for the "best man". This is more about voting for the person who you feel best represents YOUR goals - but that person must have a chance of even getting elected!

Consider this - You know as well as everyone else that this race will be won by either GORE or BUSH. There is no possibility of any other outcome. Knowing this, you should vote for either BUSH or GORE - whichever one aligns better with YOUR goals for a president. You may not like Bush as much as a Browne, but Browne CAN'T WIN. <font color=red>So do you have a better chance of swaying BUSH to make the decisions you want made, or do you have a better chance of swaying GORE to make the decisions you want made?</font color=red>

You have to see that a third party vote - especially in a situation like this where every vote matters - will get you FURTHER from your desired results. "Protest" votes and votes for third party candidates are just plain being thrown away...

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Very good point, DRM, and I understand it well. But if I and millions of other people vote for Bush (or Gore for that matter) instead of Browne, how do we ever get out of this cycle of voting for the "lesser of two evils?" If I vote Republican, that vote is going to be perceived as an endorsement of Bush, rather than a protest against Gore, once all the votes are tallied. And worst of all, it will appear that nobody subscribes to the Libertarian ideology, which I think is untrue. The numbers just don't show it because people always vote for the "lesser of two evils."

Bush's federal government may not be as bloated as Gore's, but it will still be bloated.

One other thing--I think Browne will steal as many votes from Gore as he will from Bush on account of his positions on legalizing drugs, tolerance of homosexuals, etc. Not that he endorses those things, but he believes (and rightly so) that it is no business of the federal government.

I guess my question is, how do we ever get out of this two party system, where both sides are slowly taking our freedom?

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Good question, CJ7_2521, and I'll try to answer it.

There is really no chance whatsoever that Browne will win, but he can hurt Bush. A vote for Browne, as pointed out elsewhere, amounts to a vote for Gore.

If you really want to make a third party viable, you start from the bottom up, not from the top down. You put a Libertarian in as County Commissioner or City Counselor or something else modest, then built up to the point where you have a State Representatives, then Congressmen and so forth.

I agree with you wholeheartedly: Bush is mushy on guns. At least by my standards: hell, I believe anybody should be able to sell or buy and kind of gun anywhere, at any time to anybody with absolutely NO government intervention. And anybody should be able to pack one concealed anywhere, anytime with no government interference. Misuse a gun and you should get swiftly, fairly and effectively prosecuted. Unless some armed guy caps you off while you're committing the offense.

So I'll be voting Bush next month, even though I agree more with Browne. It's like my jeep: it's gotta work in the real world, not just in theory. Pretty theories won't haul you through snowdrifts or mudholes. They're just pretty theories.

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Unfortunately for the libertatians, our Govt. is always going to be run as a 2 party system, it will take a major catastrophy, like the fight over slave states that brought in the Republican party in the 1850s, to change it. The Libertarian, Reform, American Taxpayers' parties are basically offshoots of the Republican party that went their separate ways over policy decisions and too many compromises with the liberals. When they left, they lost most of their voice in the system. The Democrats keep more of their factions together, and therefore have more clout because of it. They focus on the end goal, creeping forwards, even letting things slip a little, if it suits their ends. (Fabian Socialism).

Yes, G.W. isn't the greatest, but he sure is a lot better than Algore.

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Re: Regsitered to Vote - & not just doing MY part...

We recently voted in a third party candidate as the Governor of Minnesota. However..Jesse was a great mayor of a local suburb, and has lived here in MN most (if not all) of his life. He had a strong grass roots backing and was elected by the people. He has been a fantastic state leader so far (don't believe the garbage that the natl. media spews about him) and will be in the future. Unfortunately you need BIG name recognition to get elected to the highest office of the country. And unfortunately, Browne doesen't have it. I also believe in a constatutionalist government, but we really are not voting for the best man...just against the worst one in a unified fashion. Two for Bush!

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This has nothing to do with the presidency but it does have something to do with choosing the lesser of two evils. A few years back you all might remember the great Louisiana Governors race where Edwin Edwards was goin up agaist David Duke. Edwin Edwards had charges of racketeering and other things brought up against him from his last time in office. I think he was acquitted of all those charges but it still puts it in the back of your mind. David Duke was a former Grand Dragon of the Ku Klux Clowns[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif[/img]. He has so called distanced himself from those associations. Which would you choose to represent your state? The lesser of the two evils. I chose Edwards. Like the others before me have said, third party candidates for this presidency have about as much chance of getting elected as I have of going to bed with Shania Twain. This election will be between Bush[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img] and Bore[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/mad.gif[/img]. It's as simple as that! If you vote for any third party candidate you will just be helping Bush or Bore get in office. Just like Perot did for Klinton. Just my thoughts, and nothing more.

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[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] In 1992 I was disgusted with the situation in WA and voted for Ross Perot. That enabled the scumbag to get elected and we got eight years of sh*t, and crap. In 1992, the scumbag got 43% of the vote. Only 26% of the American people voted, so 43% of 26% is 11%!!!!! 11% of the votors put that scum in office because myself and misguided others like me believed we could make a difference and instead we ended up screwing the US worse that what could ever be imagined. RIGHT NOW, sneaky democrat operatives are ENCOURAGING people to vote Libertarian, and even funneling money into the campaign. Why? Because they KNOW that everone who does would have voted for Bush, and they NEED that voting bloc to pull away from Bush and allow Gore to win. I regret voting for Perot more that any thing I have ever done. I hold myself PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE for the eight years that the US has been fuc8ed over by a scumbag. PLEASE DON'T VOTE for a third party. It will assure the election of Clinton#2, and the further demise of this once-great nation.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/frown.gif[/img]

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