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post #1 of (permalink) Old 09-07-2000, 08:09 AM
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MANGLERS PROBLEM BETTER EXPLAINED!!

> Hey Guys,
>
> Now i have a little more time to try to explain my problem.
>
> First of let me tell and show you what has been done to the axle:
>
> http://ct-web.unh.edu/yankeetoys/kspeicher/scout1.jpg
> http://ct-web.unh.edu/yankeetoys/kspeicher/scout2.jpg
> http://ct-web.unh.edu/yankeetoys/kspeicher/scout3.jpg
> http://ct-web.unh.edu/yankeetoys/kspeicher/doh.jpg
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> The house was cut down 3" on the long side and then had a perch type
> thing
> ground into the housing. The above link #3 shows this good.
>
> When i brought the axle to be shortened i did not tell the machinist to
> do
> ANYTHING with the perch or the diff. He just told me "This should work
> great". Me being ignorant on the subject just said "Ok, thanks" It
> appears
> that the hole was drilled in the wrong place for starters.
>
> Everything was fine and dandy, i had the gears and Detroit installed a
> few
> days ago, and then i go to have the U-bolts made and there is a hole
> where
> one of the U-bolts MUST go because it also rests again the side of the
> diff
> (no more can be grinded) as seen at:
> http://ct-web.unh.edu/yankeetoys/kspeicher/doh.jpg. I am assuming the
> placement of this is what the rest is based off of, No?
>
> If i lined everything up from this, and redrilled the hole that you see
> in
> the above link #3 and then move the perch on the other side (so I
> maintain
> the 27 1/2" center to center between springs) i could get everything to
> line
> up BUT it wouldn't be centered (axle to vehicle) and the whole thing
> would
> be offset 1/2 to 3/4" to one side.
>
> Is this enough to worry about? Wont it cause nasty habits on the road?
> Am i being way to anal? (have been told that before). Am i not explaining
> this> right?

Sorry for my ignorance.
>
> Thanks For The Help


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post #2 of (permalink) Old 09-07-2000, 08:52 AM
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Re: MANGLERS PROBLEM BETTER EXPLAINED!!

The only thing that other than it dog tracking some would be your turning.I think you would have to re-index the pitman arm so you get the same throw side to side.otherwise you'll turn further one direction than the other.I just did a soa on a waggoneer 44 this past weekend.I made my own perches though.It's the diff side that'll be to short isnt it? The only other way I can see doing it is to move the spring perches on the frame to center the axle.

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Re: MANGLERS PROBLEM BETTER EXPLAINED!!

hey kevin.. i went and looked at mine last night( I feel bad for telling you 3" to start with), and i know i could put wrangler springs in there yet. the only thing i can figure is that when i welded the knuckles back on, i put the axle tubes in a little further than you.. that would have made my axle about 1/4" narrower than yours.. or maybe my spring perch is off a tiny bit and the spring is flexed out a touch..or maybe all this put together..mine is not as far over as yours is though, and my axle is centered. another thing to look at...i welded thick spring perches on top of the axle..at least 1/2"..this may have allowed me to cheat a little to moving the axle.. i wish i knew for sure what the difference is... looking back.. i think i wouilda left it full size and put a waggoneer amc 20 in the rear.. oh well....it seems to be working good...
are you sure you would offset it a hole 1/2"?? do you need that much room???.. i would go 1/4", and let the spring bushings and springs eat up the other 1/4" if it's even that much

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Re: MANGLERS PROBLEM BETTER EXPLAINED!!

I'm still a little fuzzy, is the problem where you drilled the spring center bolt hole, or is it the width of the springs?

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>>>>>I'm still a little fuzzy, is the problem where you drilled the spring center bolt hole, or is it the width of the springs?
***** Its a little of both. The hole for the spring center bolt was drilled for 2" wide springs and if i use the 2 1/2" there is no room for the U-bolt because it hits the diff.

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Re: MANGLERS PROBLEM BETTER EXPLAINED!!

Hey Elusive,

(I feel bad for telling you 3" to start with)
***** NO WAY MAN, dont be. THis is 200% my fault!!! for not checking it and not spending the 2 hour drive to look at my rig

and i know i could put wrangler springs in there yet
***** Do you have any close up pics of your setup?????

the only thing i can figure is that when i welded the knuckles back on, i put the axle tubes in a little further than you.. that would have made my axle about 1/4" narrower than yours..
**** But then the axle Moser but Exactly 3" wouldnt fit, would it?

or maybe my spring perch is off a tiny bit and the spring is flexed out a touch..
***** That is what i might try Sunday

i think i wouilda left it full size
***** Everyone warned me of the Scout and told me to use a J20 axle. I should have listened, LOL

are you sure you would offset it a hole 1/2"?? do you need that much room???
***** I need the exact width of the U-bolt (about 3/8") worth of room to fit it in there...

I will keep you all posted.

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hey mangler,
I see your dilemma, although if it's only a 1/2" I think you may be okay. I don't see that it would affect road handling much. I'm not a huge fan of wheel spacers, but you could try using a 1/2" one on the short side. You definitely can't grind that housing anymore. It looks like your dreading this sunday...

Tom


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Acutally Tom,

I am not really dreading this sunday. I am actually looking forward to it, to find out Exactly how it sits and see what my options are (and relieve my worrying). You still interested in coming down? I promise i wont throw tools and become disgruntled if it doesnt work. LOL

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Re: MANGLERS PROBLEM BETTER EXPLAINED!!

like i said in an earlier post mine works fine with the 2 1/2" springs but i left mine full width. mine is centered but maybe when i built my spring perches on the jeep i mad up for this without thinking about it. if i were you i would weld up the positioning hole that you had drilled and start over. it may be off just a hair but i wouldn't worry about it. you already have too much $$$ to worry about it.

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Dumb Question ?

I may be missing something, but doesn't this problem originate from cutting the Scout to the wide track spec formula when it actually is going to be installed on a narrow track CJ?

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