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post #1 of (permalink) Old 08-21-2000, 11:34 AM Thread Starter
 
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CEASE FIRE !!!

All too many times I have seen this BBS loose valuable members due to flame wars. Everyone has the right to opinion but no one has the right to ruin this board by saturating it with war.
Enough has been said as to who was right, wrong, stupid and/or offended.
Wolf packs and young lions ....
I've seen this happen too many times on this BBS an others.
Does anyone remember Harry B.?
There are no winners here on this one.

Instead, I'd like to see continued discussion on roll bar safety an design.
That is the best thing to do now. Learn something and get some good out of an unfortunate incident.

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post #2 of (permalink) Old 08-21-2000, 11:46 AM
 
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,,,,,Jaffer,,,, Very well said!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wise words.

I would also like to hear more on roll bar design, especially after some of the pics we have all seen lately.

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It would seem that great minds think alike.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/tongue.gif[/img] I hate flames, I try to put a post up that will make both parties think about what is going on. We're all jeepers here not 2yr olds standing with our fists in the air, defiant of an opposing force. I'm not criticizing, just trying to point out how silly the parties involved in flames look.



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I have no interest in debating the redesign of 'Roll Bars'...
There is no such thing as a 'Roll Bar', and all the designs for single loop 'Roll Bars' will not work.

I will take part in the Design of Passenger Protection or safety cage, but not here on this BBS.

I will have to refer to the shortcomings of several 'Jeeper' accidents, and
I will not take heat by trying to design from the failure analysis of others.

Good luck with your designs.

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uh... whatever.

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Hey all, I am a suzuki owner that has some jeep parts on it. My thing is weight displacement, so I try to keep it light for an advantage on the trail and mud. I Just built an external rollcage with the help of JEEPN and have some pictures. Its not the best and its only my second cage I have built, but it will serve the purpose of protection during a slow roll. I built it from ERW tubing used by the local stock car circuit for their cages. Its only .95 thicknes and 2 inches round so its too small for you all, but its a picture and a design and food for thought. Actually JEEPN will have to post it because I cannot access the pictures on my computer, netscape is buggy with off-road in my set up. Take care. Max

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Thank you TR for adding another pretentious, indirect insult to this thread attempting to weed out flames. I knew John (Jaffer) was talking about "safety cages" as did many others, but you felt the irrepressable need to point out that there is no such thing as a "roll bar". Duh!!! If you can't add something productive without degrading someone else's semantics, keep it to yourself!

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Bay, I'll tell you what. I don't check the board for two days while I move back to school and.. WHOA NELLIE!!!
Grown men acting like 12 year olds arguing over who little Suzy likes better.
Everyone needs to chill and let it go. I may not know exactly what happened, but I do know that it needs to end so we can get this board back on track.

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Well, not "everybody" knows there is no such thing as a 'Roll Bar'...
Or the term 'Roll Bar' wouldn't be used here so often, or anywhere for that matter.
(or do you want to argue about that too? maybe just want to insult someone else?)

It wasn't an insult.
If you are going to be technical, and you will have to be to design a roll cage for a jeep that will live in a violent crash, then you will have to use the correct terminology.
(Or do you take offense at that too? Sorry.)

That's why I don't think I can be a constructive influence on that thread.
Everything I say will be picked apart by someone, for what ever reason in their personal agenda.... instead of listening to what's said, and learning something...
(I'm wondering what your personal agenda is, snowtow?)

By the time I get done trying to fend off the personal attacks and sarcasm, no one will get anything done on the thread.
It will be better if I work independently with other engineers, that aren't so personally offended by everything.
About 7 or 8 of the more knowledgable guys on the BBS have already e-mailed me, so I guess I'll work with them.

We will compare notes when the project is done, and see how what you guys came up with compares to what we come up with...
Maybe we can learn something from your design.
(or vice versa)
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And snowtow, if you don't have anything constructive to say to me in the future, refrain from saying anything, you are wasting my time that could be better spent on real problems.
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I don't seem to have too much luck with laymen today, wonder what my horoscope said yesterday?

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