Winch ratings - Off-Road Forums & Discussion Groups
Jeep-Short Wheelbase All discussion of short wheelbase Jeeps: CJ, TJ, YJ and JK

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of (permalink) Old 04-26-2009, 03:14 PM Thread Starter
Way Outta Control
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: usa
Posts: 10,815
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
 
Winch ratings

A while back someone mentioned how winches are rated - 8000 lbs does not mean it can lift 8000lbs straight up. They said it means 8000 lbs dragged up a 100% slope (45 degrees angle.)

Does that mean a dead weight on the slope, like a cement block a on a cement ramp, or 8000 lbs on wheels?
RRich is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of (permalink) Old 04-26-2009, 04:42 PM
Moderator
 
Jim_Lou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Belleville, Illinois
Posts: 11,485
Thanks: 15
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
         
That sure seems deceptive. If there's no friction involved, the line pull would be 5,657 pounds. So why not call it a 5600 pound winch? If there is friction the pull could be anything from there on up. If you're right about that, it would only make sense to have friction out of the calculation.

My 8000 pound Ramsey will pop a 9600 pound-rated cable without showing any sign of strain. But it was built 25 years ago. Maybe they rated them differently then.

EVERYTHING's easy for the guy who doesn't have to do it.
B. Dash Fabrication
Jim_Lou is offline  
post #3 of (permalink) Old 04-26-2009, 09:00 PM
Journeyman
 
PHX?'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Fountain Hills Arizona
Posts: 141
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
so the 8000 rated doesn't pull 8000? I was totally considering getting a mile marker PE8000 too so should i not?

1990 YJ 258 l6 3.5 BDS lift

/l , [____],
l---L--[]lllllll[]-
()_) ()_)[email protected]=)_)
PHX? is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of (permalink) Old 04-27-2009, 06:46 PM
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
I along with everyone we four wheel have 8000 or 8500 rated winches. We mostly offroad in deep thing mud, so there is alot of drag on them, and with my Ramsey 8500 winch, I have never seen anything yet that it hasnt gotten out. Its moved telephone poles on power lines before, and had to get a boosted altinator, but it works well

(we all have CJ-5s and CJ-7s so I dont know what your using yours for...........)
Tucker Terra is offline  
post #5 of (permalink) Old 04-27-2009, 07:18 PM
Moderator
 
Jim_Lou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Belleville, Illinois
Posts: 11,485
Thanks: 15
Thanked 22 Times in 17 Posts
         
I just looked in on Ramsey's website - ramsey.com - and looked at the specs on their Patriot 8000. It says:

Rated line pull (single line) 8,000lbs. (3,620 kgs)

No room for ambiguity there. Rich, were you looking at the fine print in the spec sheet of a cheapie winch?

EVERYTHING's easy for the guy who doesn't have to do it.
B. Dash Fabrication
Jim_Lou is offline  
post #6 of (permalink) Old 04-27-2009, 07:30 PM
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 21
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim_Lou View Post
I just looked in on Ramsey's website - ramsey.com - and looked at the specs on their Patriot 8000. It says:

Rated line pull (single line) 8,000lbs. (3,620 kgs)

No room for ambiguity there. Rich, were you looking at the fine print in the spec sheet of a cheapie winch?


Ya.............I know no jeep weighs 8000 lbs, but when they are almost over the tires in mud, there is an awful lot of drag there, and my ramsey 8500 doesn't even act any different with it hooked up as it would just reeling it in. I dont know about other companies, but if the winch is rated for 8000, I am sure it will pull that much, maybe even more..............
Tucker Terra is offline  
post #7 of (permalink) Old 04-27-2009, 08:32 PM Thread Starter
Way Outta Control
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: usa
Posts: 10,815
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
 
Seems like I saw someone say it on this BB - the discussion was not about that specifically, but the comment was. Maybe it was on another BB. I'd hoped posting it here would get that person to elaborate further. It must have been somewhere else.

I searched the internet trying to find if it was true or not.

I'd sure think (hope) that when they say 8000 lbs, they mean 8000 lbs. of real pull, of course that would be on the first wrap layer.

But in this day of deception most everything seems to be false. Interest rates, political "spin," mileage figures, calories, tax cuts, Chinese nails you can't drive with a hammer, even "change."

At least there's one thing that's real.
RRich is offline  
post #8 of (permalink) Old 04-27-2009, 08:45 PM
Old Hand
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: council bluffs iowa
Posts: 601
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
Smile winch info pulling power

hi i just had to add some info and also when i went looking for a winch for the cj8 scrambler project and found most of the units made in china i did a long search and found this on ebay..... brand new military 3.6 ton unit made in sweden by sepson.......only problem with it was it works on 24volts and had to mount two optoma batt to power it, but boy can it pull take a look
Attached Images
File Type: jpg b1%2Ddim.jpg (50.4 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg Picture 362.jpg (105.3 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg Kia%2DE36P%2D2004%2Dw.jpg (55.6 KB, 1 views)
File Type: jpg Picture 001.jpg (95.5 KB, 1 views)
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Product data sheet E36P 6015-021.pdf (154.3 KB, 1 views)
myscrambler1 is offline  
post #9 of (permalink) Old 04-27-2009, 09:54 PM
Mud in my Veins
 
Caver Dave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Winston-Salem, NC
Posts: 5,512
Thanks: 0
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
 
To further confuse and generally stir the ...

Mine said "4000lbs.", but I changed the planetary end with that from an identical branded winch that reads "8000lbs"... that's 12,000# total, right?

Caver Dave
'72 "Mossy Edition" Commando
the Trail Forge
Caver Dave is offline  
post #10 of (permalink) Old 04-27-2009, 10:08 PM Thread Starter
Way Outta Control
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: usa
Posts: 10,815
Thanks: 0
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
 
Nope - 4000 x 8000 = 32,000,000.
RRich is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Off-Road Forums & Discussion Groups forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in










Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome