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post #1 of (permalink) Old 04-27-2008, 07:59 PM Thread Starter
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Carbon monoxide death while 4 wheeling

Careful out there. Tragic accident.

LUNENBURG, Mass. (AP) -- One of two boys who suffered carbon monoxide poisoning in the woods in Lunenburg has died.

The boys were four-wheeling Friday night with three adults when one of the vehicles got stuck. The boys stayed in vehicle to keep warm and were later found unconscious by adults who were trying to free the jeep.

Nine-year-old Alejandro Thomasian of Fitchburg died Sunday, while 11-year-old Jobanny Matias of Leominster remains in critical condition at Massachusetts General Hospital.

The Office of the Chief Medical Examiner will perform an autopsy Monday.

Lunenburg Police Chief Daniel Bourgeois says initial investigation shows the incident was "a truly tragic accident."

Worcester District Attorney Joseph D. Early Jr. says local and State Police continue to investigate the case.

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1. Never Wheel Alone.
2. Always have communications available.
3. Always have a winch on the Trail.
4. KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING.
5. Don't be a statistic!


Why is it when adults are stupid...kids pay the price?
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Something I've always heard -
Sometimes working around vehicles or boats we breathe too much exhaust fumes. We end up with a bad headache. There is no medical remedy for it.
What supposedly happens is the CO attaches to the blood, keeping it from carrying oxygen like it should. The brain starves of oxygen, making the headache.

Drinking Welch's grape juice helps. Not promoting Welch's, but it's not diluted with other juices like others are.
It helps the blood get rid of the CO.
It's not fast acting, and it's not a cure for heavy CO poisoning, but if you get the headache it will help it go away.

Yes, I've tried it - it seems to help - or maybe it just tastes good?
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Actually there were 3 vehicles. More from today's paper:

LUNENBURG - A 9-year-old Fitchburg boy died yesterday, two days after he and another boy were overcome by carbon monoxide fumes in the back seat of an idling off-road vehicle that their fathers were trying to push out of the mud.

Alejandro Thomasian was pronounced dead at 11:29 a.m., law enforcement officials said. Jobanny Matias, an 11-year-old Leominster boy who was with Alejandro in the vehicle, remained in critical condition at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston.

The boys were trying to stay warm inside the 1992 Jeep Cherokee, which had become stuck in a trench Friday in the Lunenburg woods, officials said. The vehicle was partially submerged in muddy water, apparently blocking its exhaust pipe and causing the vehicle to fill with carbon monoxide, according to Joseph D. Early Jr., Worcester's district attorney, and police Chief Daniel Bourgeois.

"We just want to offer our thoughts and prayers to the families of these two boys," Early said in a press release yesterday. "This is just a terrible tragedy."

The chief medical examiner will perform an autopsy today.

Andre Ravenelle superintendent of Fitchburg public schools, said Alfredo was in the fourth grade at Reingold Elementary School. He said officials were contacting all guidance counselors across the district and planning to bring together the staff from some of the city's other schools to provide support. The counselors and special education staff would put together talking points and ways to answer questions from students, he said.

"Unfortunately, school systems have more experience [with tragedy] than they like. It's very, very sad; just very tragic. My heart and prayers go out to the family.

"Our task is to be there and be available and supportive to all of other students and staff."

A spokesman for one of the boys' families, who identified himself as the child's uncle, declined to comment last night.

The boys' fathers and another adult, Raul Lopez, each drove a vehicle into the woods about 6 p.m.

The rocky dirt trails are often used for off-road driving.

About two hours later, the Cherokee got stuck in the mud, according to Jason Gowell, who is friends with the boys' fathers.

The boys were in the vehicle for about 10 minutes before one of the adults noticed they were unconscious, Gowell told the Globe Saturday.

The Cherokee was the only vehicle that was enclosed. The other two vehicles were a Suzuki Samurai and a Jeep Wrangler.

The fathers then sped about a mile out of the woods in the Wrangler, heading for an auto body shop, which is near one of the off-road paths and is run by Lopez.

When they arrived, the boys were unconscious and their faces were a deep shade of blue, Gowell said. One father carried his son into the shop, where an employee began resuscitation efforts. Paramedics arrived shortly after to perform cardiopulmonary resuscitation on the boys, who were taken by ambulance to Health Alliance Leominster before they were flown to the hospital.

Lopez spent most of the last two days at the hospital and was taking the accident very hard, Gowell and a family member said.

"Our initial investigation points to this being a truly tragic accident," Bourgeois said. "Our hearts go out to the families of both boys. I want to commend the police officers and emergency personnel for their efforts to keep these boys alive."

Carbon monoxide is an odorless, tasteless gas that can be deadly if undetected. Unintentional exposure to carbon monoxide accounts for about 15,000 emergency room visits and 500 deaths in the United States each year, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

Local and State police will continue to investigate.

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I know even with no doors or top on the CJ, My brother and I had some serious headaches after playing in the woods all day. That was when I had side pipes that exited right behind the doors. Couldn't imagine being enclosed.

Sad.

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Very, very sad.

I have noticed a few times that I can cruise along at the same speed as the tail wind (ok breeze) and an envelope of exhaust fumes builds up around me. When you get that situation then it doesn't matter if you have the doors or or off, or even have the heater fan running, you just keep recirculating the fumes.

Some research out of the racing world, including NASCAR, seems to indicate that repeated exposure to CO (carbon MONoxide) over a long time period reduces your tolerance to it. So don't push your luck.

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