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post #1 of (permalink) Old 10-28-2007, 07:56 PM Thread Starter
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Cj 5 buildup hopefully starting again

Aaron was by today and I got fired up while talking to him about my cj5. I am scheduled for 9 days off over thanksgiving and am planning to start it then. I wanted to go through the plan on here so I could get some opinions and do the fine tuining before the days off get here and the thing starts being modified.

The only real questions on this build are weather to swap the t-14 and dana 18 combo for a sm465/dana 300 w/dana 60 rear.

The plan.

Determine which tranny transfer to go with.
looking at streaching the wb 10" in the rear.
Plan to use front waggie springs in the rear and stock wranglers in the front spring over.

Steering will be spring over with full hydro john deer combine steering. Shocks will be as dictated by final lift but I like bilstines.

My plan for the axles if I keep the t-14 and dana 18 is Dana 44 in front and rear with 5.89 gears spooled in the rear and while I was orignaly going to spool the front I was thinking a aussie for the rear.

If I go 465 and 300 I need a centered pumpkin so I would go with the 60 I have in the shop with as close to 5.89 with the matching 44 front.

I will make new shackles and need to outboard the front springs to get the 44 in.

Any other thoughts or recomendations? I know the 465 and 300 would be bombproof but I was thinking they would go really well in the tj on a later date, the 60 was also slated for the tj.

Ya only go around once, best to enjoy it the first trip.
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Even with steering that can handle a front spool, I wouldn't do that. It puts too much strain on everything.

How are you going to suspend the rear with the 10" stretch?

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Little mis type on my part, I was orignaly going spool in the front, but am planning on a aussie or lock rite for the front.

I am having fits about the 465 I want it but don't want to put that much money into this jeep.

Ya only go around once, best to enjoy it the first trip.
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Well, you're already going to drop a ton of money into this - you know you are - and time - ditto - so you might as well build it the way you want.

Surely you've inspected the frame closely. Old 5s had a lot of rivets holding the frame together, and they liked to crack around the heads. "Yes, and don't call me Shirley!"

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Have you considered dropping the CJ5 body on a CJ7 chassis?

Or...find a TJ chassis and go coil susp....?

Now you hate me...don't you....so many choices.....

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Glad to see a renewed interest in the old 5. I've been wondering about it and forgot to ask when we talk on the phone. (we talk too much darn bidness )

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Ok jeff its about time you do something with it.

So here is where you start
1st man up
2nd ditch the 5 frame its weak and will crack
3rd get a YJ frame (i have one if you want to take a ride) and copy that pink jeeps springs, we all now it works good.
4th No fing coils, you all ready have one of those things
5th long fenders you will need that for the V8 swap to go easier.
6th Automatic, forget about that 3rd pedal, plus you already have the tcase for the matic. Oh yeh i have a auto too, just another ride around the corner
7th go 60 rear 44 front
8th call me to help set up the gears
9th make sure all the bolts you left loose are tight
10th pull it out of the garage and go beat the heck out of it.
11th just make sure something is beatable for next spring

see ya

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Jeff,

My vote would be the 465 and 300 in the CJ5 because if you are building a purpose built rig to wheel you probably won't wheel the TJ super hard anyways.

I expect this rig will only be trailor due to the around 95:1 crawl ratio. 5.89's in dana 44's are awful steep. Just a thought but 4.88's would still give you an 80:1 crawl ratio with the SM465/300 combo, which is pretty good unless you are wheeling rocks alot.

I take it you will high steer witht the spring over? Also anti-wrap bar for the rear, I know Arron doesn't run one but you aren't running 4 squirls in this baby are you.

FueL Injected?????????

What spline count Dana 44 are you going to run up front?? Just asking because I have been thinking about pulling the detroit out of my rear 44 and putting a spool in. I just hate that dang backlash built into the detroit for the rear.

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HEy brad I will swap you a brand new spool for that old beat up detroit, heck you can even buy me a beer if it will keep you from feeling bad about taking advantage of me

Ok, many to answer.

No v8 swap you guys know I love my 231 buick to much,,,, Good thing is when it blows I can swap in a small block with only a bellhousing change.

YJ frame good Idea if I could find one around here that didn't go to the scrap yard. I am looking.

I am contemplating fuel injection but I would like to get it moving first.

5.89 are unfortunately already bought as are bearing kits and 2 spools.

it will be atrailer queen.

the 44's are out of a waggie.

never wheeled an auto,,,, to much mystery in them for me, I can almost take a manual apart fix it and put it back together sitting on the deck of the trailer...

no tj frame, I get a headache every time i try to figure coil geometry, to much dialing in for me on this rig.

you are right Dave we do talk to much business, but if it don't pick up soon I will be sitting on the couch durring those 9 days thinking if I had the money I would do ------

I am just having a hard time stomaching the price of the adapter between the 465 and the 300

Jim what will bolt up to that adapter on the 300?

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Quote:
but if it don't pick up soon I will be sitting on the couch durring those 9 days thinking if I had the money I would do ------
Blah blah blah

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