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OT ... Fun with .17 HMR :)

i decided to do some testing...to determine which .17hmr round was best for my hunting needs


so i'm testing:

Federal 17gr poly tip
Federal 17gr TNT JHP
CCI 17gr TXT explosive JHP
CCI 20gr FMJ


testing on water bottles, dry phone books, wet phone books, quarters......and CHICKEN! ($3.50 a bag at walmart for chicken drum sticks )



heres the dry phone book with different types of .17hmr



heres a wet phone book:
the 4 small rounds are .22LR...the 2 big holes are .17hmr Poly tips.




heres the poly tip vs the water bottle....entrance and exit
results for the two JHP rounds we exactly the same







and the FMJ entrance and exit:










the chicken test.......
30 yards.


heres 5 rounds of .22LR



1 round of CCI FMJ 20gr....looks like the bullet grazed it, instead of going through solid material, it split it open from the side as it traveled through.....


1 round of Federal TNT JHP .17gr (i dont think it hit bone)


1 round of CCI TNT explosive JHP 17gr ( this one hit bone...)


and lastly.....

the "coup de gras" of sorts.....

1 round
17gr, Poly tip......
note that the chicken leg started in a location that is not visible in this picture. compare to the non-shot-at chicken leg behind it.



after i shot with the polytip it pretty much rained chicken bits for a full 3 seconds after! it was pretty impressive....



ok.....and for good measure...i shot up some coins.....
it was open sights, so cut me some slack

the coin on the far left was shot with a 22 as well....you can see the big dent from the 22 compared to the hole from the FMJ





i really didn't intend to learn anything....just to have a lot of fun at the range....and i did

I'm going to stick with the FMJ and go for head shots on the tree rats.....anything else will make a mess!

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good thing it wasnt me that shot them....it was my good friend....bob.

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What kind of rifle do you have? How do you like it? What kind of range are you getting out of it for gophers?
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I purchased the 'Little Woman' a .17 Mach2.
(.22 LR case necked down to .17)
I didn't like it, but at the 50 yard range she really likes it.

I have a Ruger 77/17 Bolt rifle in .17 HMR and I really like it!
Fast, even for a bolt gun, pinpoint accurate and cheap to shoot compared to my center fires!

100 yard shots on 'varmints' are a regular thing.
.17 HMR Hornaday Magnum Rifle
(.22 Mag necked down to .17 cal)

I've made 150 yard shots, but the bullet just doesn't have the weight to carry through very far.
They make black 'Poofs' out of crows, they make ground rats disappear in a red mist and fur explosion, and they will take down a coyote!

I like my Ruger, but some people really complain about the Savage versions.
Haven't tried any of the semi autos yet (Ruger 10/17, ect.) other than shooting someone elses at the range...
You can't really get a good read on just a few rounds, but they are getting really popular!
I see more and more of them every day at the range.
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People Starving everywhere around the world and you use chicken(food) as a target?

Cool Idea!
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What kind of rifle do you have? How do you like it? What kind of range are you getting out of it for gophers?


its a Thompson Center Encore. the barrel is one of the new factory rimfires (new for 07).....i really like it except my barrel has some case bulging issues, so i need to send it back to TC to check out the head spacing.

with a poly tip i'm sure one could shoot gophers at 150yds with great results.....i haven't tried it on anything alive yet. going squirrel hunting this weekend.

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JYG, what problem were they having with the Savage's?

I was looking at Ruger MarkII all weather's that were on sale, then someone said they didn't shoot very well, accuracy poor. Is that true?
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Savage seems a little cheaply made to me, shoots OK, but the trigger is crap.
Some people can't get the Savage to shoot well for them, rough action, problems with triggers, ect...
What do they expect out of a $130 pea shooter?

Put on a decent optics rail, slick up the trigger and break in/clean the barrel and they do OK.
the Savage synthetic stocks are plastic crap, but again, what do you expect for $130...?

My Ruger is great!
Broke in the barrel just like any other rifle, and as we continued through the break in process, you could see the groups shrinking.

Most people think a rim fire barrel doesn't need to be broken in, but this is just like every other high velocity round, and the barrel needs to be broken in.

Keep in mind that the .17 bullet is TINY!
You will need to regularly need to clean or at least swab the barrel because it fouls so fast!
I 'Scratch Swab' mine about every 10 rounds or so.
('Scratch Swab'= Patch over a brush loaded with oil, not solvent, then one clean patch to push out any excess oil)

Don't forget to use nylon brushes if you can find them!
With a bore this small, ANY SCRATCHES will transfer to the bullet and affect accuracy.

Most of the complaints I see/hear are people shooting them like the old low velocity .22 LR rifles...
Lots of rounds and damn little cleaning.
(Like most complaints, these problems are self inflicted...)

I've been eyeing an all weather, but unless I trade my 77/17 I can't afford it right now... But a trade isn't out of the question!

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hhhmmmm, Hope you washed your hands between handling the raw chicken and anything else you might have been touching. Ever had food Poisoning from Raw Chicken? I have, and now I'm anal retentive about handling and cooking chicken...

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