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post #1 of (permalink) Old 06-10-2007, 05:59 PM
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Question 1970 CJ5 Spring over axle conversion

Im new at this and trying to build up a 70 cj5. So I started with spring over conversion on 33s, went in to the local offroad shop asked what I need for it. they sent me out with spring perches and bushings. When we started we wondered about the steering arms being in the way. As all of you know where I am going with this, cause they were in the way and now I need a solution. easiest and most price efficient. I also noticed I will need longer brake lines. Any info anyone can give me about what else Im gonna run into along this conversion will be very helpfull and appreciated. Thanks Mark
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Look into swapping to d44 flattop kunckles w/highsteer arms.

Good luck fitting a driveshaft in there at that angle.

(edit: there are two pairs of knuckles on Ebay right now,,,search "flat top knuckles" and Parts Mike has some arms for a decent price)

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Get the biggest dropped Pitman arm you can get - I think it's a 4". Don't get a cheapie - they don't have the wide alignment notches. Forcing it on without the wide spaces will cause it to fail eventually.

That gets the steering working, but it will still bind on hard right turns - not good.

Next you need a Z type drag link - get the strongest one you can find - make sure it's made of solid material, not tube - I don't care what anyone says, tube will bend! Then gusset it!

Then get the strongest tie rod you can find!
You'll have some bumpsteer because of the angle of the drag link, but it works.

I think Rubicon Express has it all. Visit their website.

Terra Flex makes a nice knuckle conversion that converts the right side to a semi-high steer. It takes lots of the bumpsteer out of it. It has 2 arms, top one is for the drag link, bottom one for the tie rod. The drag link is straight then, no "Z."
Visit their website.

Be sure to brace the steering box with the cross braces available. SOA creates more stress on the box, the box itself and the frame mounting is weak and will eventually fail.

AFTER it's finished, measure for the shocks and bumpstops. Most SOA conversions I've seen had the bumpstops set so the shock takes the beating - and fails.
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I am biting off a big chunk by going against Rritch, but don't go z link, those are the scarriest things I have ever seen. Yes they will work, but I have seen cut drag links welded together hold for years, but I wouldn't let my kids ride in it. The way I see it by the time you buy the z link, a quality tie rod, and a dropped pitman, you could source a waggie 44 (provided you have a comon ratio) and add the top link to the passanger side to give you "simi-high steer" I have seen that work well and it only requires 1 high steer arm. The tie rod is still at pinion level, but still better that running a dana 30 with screwy steering.

Ya only go around once, best to enjoy it the first trip.
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I agree the 44 is better - and stronger.
By the Z link I did not mean a cut and welded one - they are scarey.

But I think Poison Spyder and or Rubicon Express has them made of solid material, maybe 1.25" - 1.5" dia - they aren't cut - one solid piece that's bent to shape. I've seen them take a huge amount of abuse and they lived through it fine.

That's the low cost end.

Better yet, more money, but still economical compared to a 44, the Terra Flex spindle works great.

But - the best way, like you said, is a full blown hi-steer 44 done right.
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Go here to look at some examples of how not to do it.

Scary Steering!

EVERYTHING's easy for the guy who doesn't have to do it.
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How many times do I have to say it....
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Gosh Jim, that was drop dead scary!

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Don't they know spruce 2x4's work better? You just need 4 nails to hold it together.
Someone had a picture on here of one, they even drove it!
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Go here to look at some examples of how not to do it.

Scary Steering!
Wow, that is one mean website.

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The entire SOA kit from Rubicon Express - $307
YJ SPRING-OVER CONVERISON KIT

What it does not include is the high steering knuckle from Terra-Flex.
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