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New USMC \"JEEP\"

Leave it to the USMC!

If you like the Carolina Growler (and I do..) then you'll like this story.

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Re: New USMC \"JEEP\"

Cool. But 100,000$$$$$$$$$$$$???????????????
Thats nuts.
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Re: New USMC \"JEEP\"

you can buuild your own for 7500 which isnt too bad.

the 100000 looks like it includes the towable mortar thingy....and i wouldnt be surprised if it had all sorts of things to confuse heat seeking missles and IR guided things.....then you add the usual government mark up of 50-75% for your final price...they gotta cover up that UFO spending somehow!....now wheres that foil hat.......
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Cool. But 100,000$$$$$$$$$$$$???????????????
Thats nuts.

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It does seem high, but then the first Bantam Jeep would carry about a $19102.78 price tag in todays dollars. And that was a pretty plain-jane, stripped down vehicle.

What can you buy today for $19102.78? The average sticker price for a car sold in the US is about $30,000. And that was in 2002!

Now take that $19102.78 and update the parts, harden the Jeep,pay for the tooling, contracts to outside vendors (axles/gearing, as example) for the 400 units and the cost will climb pretty darn quickly.

Read over the contract costs in manufacturing the Bantam Jeep and you can see how costs mount up.

It's the nature of a Govt. Contract.
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Re: New USMC \"JEEP\"

doesn't look to be very safe. is there any armor on that thing ?
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doesn't look to be very safe. is there any armor on that thing ?

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Which... is why it's not being deployed to Iraq...
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Re: New USMC \"JEEP\"

Looks to me like another example of more dollars than sense.
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Looks to me like another example of more dollars than sense.

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OK, I'll call ya on that one... Look at the history of the Fores IBEX in the UK as a great example of costs for a basic 4WD kit vehicle.

Try and build a 4X4 for the Marines for less cost that will meet the USMC contract specifications. I doubt you could do it.

This is not a case of a $2,500 coffee pot in the C5A. This is a case of a specialized vehicle designed for a USMC mission, nor is it the kit offered by Growler.

More Information:

Marines Seek ‘Combat Tactical Vehicle’ to Replace Humvees

USMC Fire Expeditionary Fire Support System

A quote from:Washington Date Line Article: New Military Vehicle is No Jeep[ QUOTE ]

To keep it simple, the vehicle is low-tech and has no on-board computer. Soldiers need only six simple tools to fix or disassemble it.

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That seems to make plenty of sense to me!

What angers me is that no one's picked up on the fact that the USMC has contracted to buy a FRENCH mortar to tow behind the Growler. You all know I like to buy American.

I've been wondering if DC bid (or considered bidding) on the contract using the TJ, or the Isralie stretched YJ as a base platform?

I'd sure park one of these in my driveway any day!
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Re: New USMC \"JEEP\"

$100,000 for a revamped Veit Nam era vehichle. So what is it, a Mutt with an engine and drive train swap?
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$100,000 for a revamped Veit Nam era vehichle. So what is it, a Mutt with an engine and drive train swap?

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Yep, and that cost will go from $100,000 each for 400 units down with volume sales to perhaps $50,000 each for 900 units. There's a price break point. It's a matter of economics. You can't violate that law and stay in business.

And yep, it's got the heart of a MUTT. Take a look at the Carolina Growler. If I had the money, one would have been in my driveway years ago.

Again I'll challenge you... can you cost one out for less money?

If so, let's see the figures rather than grouse about the costs.

Rid me of my ignorance at thinking this is not a bad cost for the MUTT.

Otherwise, I'll stick to my tried and true R&D/engineering/production/vendor alliance/manufacturing/marketing/support-life cycle principles and experience.
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