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post #1 of (permalink) Old 02-28-2005, 11:15 AM
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I have been out of the jeep world for a while (gave up the cj for the family). I am coming back in. Before I buy another cj, I want some advice, things to looks for, problems, general thoughts, etc.

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If you want a project that will allow you to spend a lot of time on it making modifications...buy a CJ...

But if you want a vehicle that is already an awsome base to start with...get a TJ with the coil over suspension....better yet, buy a Rubicon...D44's front an rear with ARB lockers......

But if you want a CJ...go for the 82-86 model years...that will give you the D300 transfer case. By now the engine will most likely be real tired....An SBC or Ford 302 would be a good replacement.....Hell, all you really want is a good frame, xfer case and body....the rest you will want to replace anyway......

One last piece of advice....If you have the bucks, go coil over....otherwise, go SOA with stock Wrangler springs.

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Re: advice

Thanks for the info DDawg 16. I know I want a cj.

I looked at an 83, solid body and frame, 4 speed manual, with a 350 chevy conversion (crate motor).

How much trouble am I going to have with the 20 rear end?

And for all you guys who have converted to the 350, any issues I need to look into?
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How much trouble am I going to have with the 20 rear end?

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Budget for one piece axle shafts, change the lube often to remove the dirt/water, stay under 33" to 35" tires and you won't have any trouble. Yes it is actually stronger than a D44, just more fun to make fun of.

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Re: advice

Yes and no...the HD20 is probably stronger, but a CJ 20 with 1pc shafts still has weak tubes.
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a Rubicon...D44's front an rear with ARB lockers......

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No, they are not ARB lockers. They are low pressure lockers. The front is open/spool, the rear is limited slip/spool.
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Yes and no...the HD20 is probably stronger, but a CJ 20 with 1pc shafts still has weak tubes.

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So one piece axles and add support for the tubes?
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Will - I've heard many times, and perpetualed the possible "error" myself that the Rubicon's rear is a air locker (not an ARB) with a Limited Slip. Seems like I've even read it in a mag somewhere.

The Limited Slip part may not be fact though.
On my Rubicon I've tried testing it - turn one side, see which way the other goes. Mine turns the opposite way - like it's open.
Either it's broken or it's actually open. My dealer doesn't know - they can't find any documentation saying it is. I took it to them to fix it - I got that blank stare!

The FSM doesn't show it either.

If it's not right, I want to get it rght while it's still under warranty.

Have you seen inside one?
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It is like the detroit true trac. It is a geared limited slip, not a clutch type limited slip.

"Inside these Dana 44s, you’ll find front and rear locking 4.10:1 differentials built by Tochigi Fuji Sanjyo, chosen, according to Jeep engineer Jim Repp, “because they were the only ones we couldn’t break.” These lockers, which can be actuated at speeds up to 10 mph, require 5 psi to make them work."

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Wouldn't the gear type also turn the same way? Wheels off the ground while turning a tire by hand.
Or is it just the clutch type that does that?
On my Rubi the other tire spins the opposite way (rear.)

And it doesn't have the characteristic "pull" on tight hard pavement turns, or on ice slip out from under you like other LS's I've had.

But a defective gear type would make all kinds of noise - right?

Off road it always "feels" like it's a LS (unlocked,) but can't tell for sure.
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