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O/T Linda Ronstadt

You may recall, the Aladdin Casino in Las Vegas "threw out" Linda Ronstadt for her anti American stance
while performing. This caused Michael Moore to send a strong letter of complaint to the President of the

Here is his letter, and the reply from Mr. Timmins.

Response to Michael Moore's, "Open Letter to Bill Timmins, President Aladdin
Casino and Hotel"

As you most likely know, Michael Moore posted the following letter: After the letter,
you will find the response... PLEASE READ MR. TIMMINS RESPONSE.

Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, NV
July 20, 2004

Dear Mr. Timmins:

I understand from the news reports I've read that, after Linda Ronstadt, one
of America's greatest singers, dedicated a song to me from your stage on
Saturday night, you instructed your security guards to remove her from the
Aladdin, which they did.

What country do you live in? Last time I checked, Las Vegas is still in the
United States. And in the United States, we have something called "The First
Amendment." This constitutional right gives everyone here the right to say
whatever they want to say. All Americans hold this right as sacred. Many of
our young people put on a uniform and risk their lives to defend it. My film is
all about asking the questions that should have been asked before those brave
soldiers were sent into harms way.

For you to throw Linda Ronstadt off the premises because she dared to say a
few words in support of me and my film, is simply stupid and Un-American.
Frankly, I have never heard of such a thing happening. I read that you wouldn't
even let her go back up to her room at your hotel! Are you crazy? For crying
out lo! ud, it was a song DEDICATION! To "Desperado!" Every Americ an loves
that song! Sure, some people didn't like the dedication, and that's their right.
But neither they nor you have the right to remove her from your building when
all she did was exercise her AMERICAN right to speak her mind.

Of all the things that go on in Las Vegas, this is what creates the need for
serious action? What about the other half of the crowd at the Aladdin who,
according to the Las Vegas Sun, cheered her when she made her remarks?
Did you throw them out, too?

I think you owe Ms. Ronstadt an apology. And I have an idea how you can make
it up to her -- and to the millions of Americans you have offended. Invite her back
and I'll join her in singing "America the Beautiful" on your stage. Then I will show
"Fahrenheit 9/11" free of charge to all your guests and anyone else in Las Vegas
who wants to see it.

Mr. Timmins, as the song "Desperado" says -- "Come to your senses!" How can
you refuse this offer? I await your reply.

Yours, Michael Moore Director, "Fahrenheit 9/11"


July 21, 2004

Attention: Michael Moore,

In response to your letter dated July 20, 2004: You are correct that I had security
remove Linda Ronstadt from Aladdin Casino and Hotel where the fun never ends
and everybody wins.

How very interesting to learn you are such a fan of Ms. Ronstadt. You questioned
where I live and surprisingly knew Las Vegas is in the United States. You should
visit it sometime. There are thousands of wonderful 'All You Can Eat' buffets.

There are also a lot of casinos who's owners don't [bleep] around. I am aware of the
First Amendment and you have the right to talk about your hatred of America but
once you are on my property and you are upsetting my guests, you will quickly
learn about my rights.

I can't remember if it was Jesus or George W. Bush that said, "Freedom is a two-way
street." Ms. Ronstadt learned this long before I had her thrown out of my casino.
You question my actions? If you come onto my property and upset my guests, you
will receive the same, if not worse, treatment than Ms. Ronstadt received. I am sure
your mere presence would upset my guests.

You claim your film, "...is all about asking the questions that should have been asked
before those brave soldiers were sent into harms way." I think your film does nothing
but aid the enemy and hurt our troops. You have betrayed our troops, our leader and
America. I have no respect for you or your vision of what America should be.

I paid Ms. Ronstadt to entertain my guests, not divide them. The half that did not leave
probably thought the verse you mentioned, "Why don't you come to your senses" was
addressed to you. Maybe she should have dedicated her song, 'You're No Good' to you.
I would have asked her back, had she done that.

Regarding your request for me to apologize to her, have you and her on my stage
singing anything about this Country and then playing your piece of [bleep] film is ludicrous!

One of my workers is currently throwing away every complaint letter from brainless
followers of you, claiming they will never visit my Casino. I could not be more pleased to
know my casino and hotel will always be void of the kind of people who support you.
Meanwhile, my hotel has been quickly booked solid for the rest of the year with true
Americans who love this Country and support our efforts overseas.

They will see a framed copy of your letter and my response in the lobby to ensure they
begin their experience with a laugh.


Bill Timmins President Aladdin Casino and Hotel Las Vegas, NV

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Very Nice!!! Good to know that people in Vegas are not hand wringing, piss in their pants liberals.. [img]images/graemlins/scs.gif[/img]
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Thanks for posting this Tom, it's refreshing and motivating. No present plans to visit Vegas, but if/when I do, meeting and shaking the hand of Mr. Timmins will be on the top of my list of things to do.

BTW: Yes, Moore (& Ronstadt) has a right to their respective opinions. But, NOT on someone else's stage. As a paid, invited guest your 'liberty to express your personal opinion(s)' is checked at the door. The principle of Freedom of Expression applies to governmental limitation in a public situs, NOT spouting off a personal agenda &/or diatribe on private property. Ronstadt was there (paid, no less) to sing/entertain, not make a personal(/)political statement. She exceeded the terms of her contract [img]images/graemlins/deal.gif[/img] w/ Mr. Timmins; and in response, he simply and properly terminated it on the spot.

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While I agree wholeheartedly with the position of Mr. Timmins, unfortunately it appears that the Timmins letter of response is a hoax.

Urban legends

Anyhow, it would certainly have been an appropriate response. Celebrities take advantage of their position in the public eye, sometimes inappropriately.
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Your link says the letter from Michael Moore is genuine which means, among other things, Mr. Moore doesn't understand constitutional rights. That amendment begins with "Congress shall make no law …" That gives no one rights in my house, on this board, in any public place, etc. Too bad the Supreme Court doesn't understand either.
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nice....many people died to give free speech its due right,,,,but people that take advantage of that right are no better than the people we fought...moore and ronstadt and all the other little posers that want to force their opinions in the wrong forums pi$$ me off...theres a time and a place for everything and that doesn't include the academy awards, or a stage show, or anything similar...If ronstadt wants to advertise prior to ticket sales that along with her normal show she will be bashing Bush or the republican party, then its fine, becasue people know what they are getting into, but otherwise I would be asking for my money back, I didn't pay to hear her politcal agenda....
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Could not have said it better myself,,,, very good post
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Taz, from my limited understanding of the man (Moore), he has a selective understanding of a lot of things. I think his method of getting his position across is bullsh*t and I'm disappointed that he gets so much attention from the press. He's a journalist like a magician is a surgeon.
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