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Anyone use starter shims on their 258?

I don't know how long a starter is suppose to last... but I go through them fairly often enough to wonder if I'm suppose to be shimming mine. Any feedback is always appreciated. [img]images/graemlins/givemebeer.gif[/img]
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Re: Anyone use starter shims on their 258?

1. Yes,
2. I use two of 'em...
3. Stacked.
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Re: Anyone use starter shims on their 258?

back when my flywheel had half the teeth chewed off and i went through a starter a month, i tried the shims out of curiousity, didnt make any difference on mine.

why are your starters failing? is it the same issue i had?
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Re: Anyone use starter shims on their 258?

could be just cheap starters.... cough cough Kragen and the such... in time they get horrifically loud and eventually start to bind somewhat. This last jobber failed to retract the starting gear and didn't help my flywheel which is starting to look like an old man ready to eat cream of wheat and not much else. Though it's now quiet and starts up fine... but for how long? I tried shims once as well and didn't seem to notice a difference. Do you shim both bolts equally. I noticed the shims I bought seemed to have two holes on a straight four inch shim.... but I couldn't figure out how it was suppose to be installed... Naturally you can't fit one shim to fit two holes on your starter by shooting across... what was the intention of this? I ain't dumb... I got smarts real good.
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Re: Anyone use starter shims on their 258?

1. The Fomoco type shim is meant,
2. To adjust the depth of the starter to the ring gear/flywheel.
3. A FOMOCO style starter may need an occasional shim to align the drive gear and flywheel teeth.
4. You can use washers, and figure out easily if it is an alignment problem.
5. Once you confirm it is, HELP products makes a nice little FOMOCO spacer, at about $7.00... you may need two!
6. The FOMOCO style starter is shimmed with a 1/6" shim that goes all around the starter motor, between it and the bell-housing.
7. This places the starter a little away from the flywheel.
8. These shims are available at NAPA or almost any auto-parts dealers in the little HELP display.
9. You may even have to use two of them. Cost is about $7.50 each.
10. The "HELP" (Motormite) part number is 72236.
11. This part is located on the big RED Card display that has the window handle cranks, trim pieces...lots of GM stuff.
12. The NAPA part number for the shim is:[*]2 bolt starter: 655-1188[*]3 bolt Starter: 655-1186
13. Ford Motor Co. made a shim for this problem.[*]Part number was D7TZ- 11N004. .09" thick.
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Re: Anyone use starter shims on their 258?

did you get one with a lifetime warranty and swap em out when they go south, or are you forking over 30-60 bucks each time?
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Re: Anyone use starter shims on their 258?

I got the lifetime commitment to visit them every now and then at no extra charge.... no money was necessary.... amazingly enough I lost my receipt and was still able to swap.

Oddly enough he didn't want to becuse the starter ring gear extended and spun on their machine.... but it doesn't retract, and I guess that wasn't part of the test. Extention is great but retraction is pretty important too. I don't want a starter on viagra.

sorta off but kinda on the same topic... Cheapo batteries...)Engergizer, ProStart and the such... these batteries sentence you to a permenant payment plan, usually leaving you powerless when you need it and when you go in, you get the dreaded pro-rated payment that you must give them... I have NEVER seen one of their "85 month batteries" last more than a year and a half. I finally wised up and bought an Optima. What a difference.
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