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post #1 of (permalink) Old 10-11-2003, 04:37 PM Thread Starter
 
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Need a quick answer, toe in question.

I'm just adjusting my toe in, but I left my manual at school. I'm measuring 49,3/4" on the front of the tire, and 50,1/2 on the back of the tire. This is iside of tire to inside of the tire, I just picked a spot where the side lugs end so I'd be able to find it easy over and over again.

So, that's 3/4" difference between the front and the back. Is that O.K.? or should it be something else. I've got no problem fixing it, but I'd like to get it right while I have it appart, because it wasnt' exactly easy to get it moving.
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Re: Need a quick answer, toe in question.

Too slow.

My dad came home and suggested 1/4"

Done like dinner.

Now only if all my other jobs were that easy.

I just cut my freaken rad hoop bar to be the right hight (it was bent about 4 months ago) but now the legs of it are about 4" too far appart. It slides right over the frame rails now.. (damnit.)

I guess that means back to the bender.
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Re: Need a quick answer, toe in question.

According to this guy , it should be 1/8" or less.
But you can never tell what psycho might have made the page.
I was refered there for instructions though after I lifted mine.
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Re: Need a quick answer, toe in question.

Under an 1/8 inch in total. You only have two tie rod ends to give. Reach up and push out on both tires at the same time and set the this loosness to 0.
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Re: Need a quick answer, toe in question.

Um.. Ithink TJ's and YJs are different here...

Cause my draglink and tierod are indipendant of one another.

They both independantly bolt to the steering arm on the passanger side knuckle.

The TJ looks like the Yota style, where the "tie rod" comes off the draglink.. whereby, the passanger side directyly connects to the draglink ONLY.. and the drivers is Tie rod only..


or is the guy in the above link got something funky going on?
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Re: Need a quick answer, toe in question.

That measurement never made sense to me. Does that mean that the bigger tire you have, the more toe in you need?
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Re: Need a quick answer, toe in question.

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Does that mean that the bigger tire you have, the more toe in you need?

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If you have a set tow in, 1/8" from back to front with a 30" tire then you will have more tow in measured with say a 35" tire the distance across the back will be greater and the distance across the front will be smaller but you will still have the same 1/8" tow on the axle. You should always measure tow and set tow when you increase or decrease you tire size. The best and correct way is to mark the center of your tires from the rear in the center and measure across at that point. with wheels straight. Now pull forward till the marks are 180* from rear measure the same place only on front side now. The tow should always be measured with the weight of the vehicle on it.

Oh yes 0 to 1/8" tow in is correct for your TJ/YJ
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Re: Need a quick answer, toe in question.

Thanks, GP'n. I forgot about the difference. I was picturing the electronic things they put on the wheels.
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Re: Need a quick answer, toe in question.

Ideally you want the tires to roll absolutely straight ahead.
But since the king pins/ball joints are inset inside the tire, travelling along at speed the rolling resistance tries to push the tires outward/back. So setting them so they are slightly toed in compensates for that force. That force tends to bend the wheels back slightly, ending up with the tires straight ahead.
The slopier the suspension, the weaker the tie rods, and the larger the tires the more toe-in is needed, as it'll flex more.
Either too toed in, or too toed out, it'll handle funny. It'll try to follow the road cracks and bumps. And you'll notice excesive scuffing.

Remember Kung Foo -- remember when Grasshopper had to walk on wet tissue paper? Same thing - use a sheet of wet newspaper - you'll see how it's scuffing.
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