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post #1 of (permalink) Old 06-22-2003, 04:32 PM
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Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

Hello,

Well, i mostly use my Jeep for wheeling and on little country road. I was wondering about removing the panhard bars. What can i expect if doing it about wheel travel, road handling... Well, summary : should i do it or not???!!!...

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Re: Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

I'm not sure I know what you mean by "panhard bars", can you further explain what part your talking about? If your talking about the sway-bars you can remove them but I would suggest quick-disconnects. If you remove them completely off road you would receive more wheel travel but on the road you will get more body roll. But then again I'm not sure if we're talking about the same part.
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Re: Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

yea i assume you mean the sway bars.....i have my rear removed all the time on the road with no big adverse affects. you should be alright as long as you dont do any very high speed turns.

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Re: Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

A panhard bar is not the same as a sway bar. The panhard bar runs from a fixed point on the frame to a fixed point on the axle on the opposite side of the vehicle! If you have leaf springs than you can remove them, if you have coil springs than you should not. Good Luck:
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Re: Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

Yes, on the YJ you can remove the panhard bars.

I thought the newbie's reply was a little out of line.

(They are NOT the same as the sway bars. If you don't know, don't guess.)
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Re: Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

Eric, the panhard bar ( I believe a french invention!) is there to help keep the axle centred from left to right. That assists in on road handling. Especially in cornering or any other source of laterally deflecting force. Most leaf spring vehicles do not use panhard bars, as the leaf spring itself does a good job of keeping the axle centred. CJ's have springs with more arch than Yj's, and don't have panhard bars. I'm sure the factory installed the panhard bar to assist street handling, and it probably provides some small assistance. It would not be dangerous to remove it, as CJ's are so similar and lack the panhard bar. Try disconnecting it and see if you can live with the on road handling change. The panhard bar works well as long as the axle is at a consistent ride height. If you compress or extend the springs, or flex the axle, the panhard bar will fight the springs as it pushes or pulls on the axle. The end result will be that the axle will flex better without the panhard bar, and that is an advantage off road.
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Re: Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

Ok, did a quick search, Panhard and Lavassor of France (1891), were the first mass producers of the automobile as we know it, as opposed to a horseless carriage design. Their basic design of the engine in front, transmission and driveshaft to a rear axle is the archetype of the successful designs that followed. They produced a number of the innovations in design that are still in use today. Sounds like they came up with a lot of the suspension ideas that followed, like the Panhard bar for locating the axles. Interesting, I was sure I had heard of them in the early days of the Indianopolis 500, when it was very much an international showcase for innovations in automobile design.
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Re: Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

1. The Panhard rod is the same as a Trackbar.
2. I'm not comfortable with it's removal,
3. I'd much more be in favor of an aftermarket Adjustable Trackbar.
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Re: Panhard or not panhard???!!!...

Leve:

What is the difference between a Panhard bar and a Trackbar? I thought they served the same purpose. Is that not correct?
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