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post #1 of (permalink) Old 10-24-2002, 09:54 PM
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OT - TV news reporting on \"snipers\" Bushmaster

You gotta love TV. Less than an hour after they confirm that the guy they caught is the "sniper" I am watching, on national news, a piece on how scarey Bushmasters are. SOB's trying to whip up everyone into a frenzy about the big scarey assualt rifles. This just drives me nuts, people who don't know squat about guns getting all upset about a particular style, like this would have happened if this model of gun didn't exist. Please. What could the fact that this doofus used a Bushmaster have to do with anything. Like it would have been better if he had been using a Model 7 shooting .30-06 or 7mm? The 3 that survived wouldn't have if he had been using that.

Anyone want to take any bets on how long it will take for some politician the decide the best way to get re-elected is to pass some law banning M-16 styled weapons?

And can everyone quit calling this guy a sniper? OK, he was a competant shot, but a not a sniper. He was taking pot shots at people. Easy shots. Nothing demonstrating any particular skill, and nothing worthy of being called a sniper (not that more skillful shooting makes this worthy of anything, but lets not give this guy more credit than he deserves).

Actually, let's not give this moron any credit for anything, other than being a nut job and a coward.

No, can't do that, must be the guns fault. Jeez.
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Re: OT - TV news reporting on \"snipers\" Bushmaster

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And can everyone quit calling this guy a sniper? OK, he was a competant shot, but a not a sniper. He was taking pot shots at people. Easy shots. Nothing demonstrating any particular skill, and nothing worthy of being called a sniper (not that more skillful shooting makes this worthy of anything, but lets not give this guy more credit than he deserves).

Actually, let's not give this moron any credit for anything, other than being a nut job and a coward.

[/ QUOTE ]I guess I need your definition of a sniper. I never considered it an honorable profession. To me it means a coward or opportunist who hides, usually in a high viewing position, and takes random potshots at anyone he sees. Then runs and hides to shot another day.

As to the banning, the present commie government, who has been brainwashing the younger generation as followers with liberal school teachers, would have you under socialism with the government providing all of your needs. Anything the government didn't provide for you would not be needed and banned from ownership.

I was in high school in the early sixties when the quote was, "Better dead than Red." When did we decide communism was a better idea. My only consolation is I don't expect to live long enough to put up with much more of it.
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post #3 of (permalink) Old 10-24-2002, 11:38 PM
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I agree, any decent hunter can hit a human sized target at 300M. The vital area of a deer elk is about the same size. What the majority of the people in this country don't realize is that if you take a Remington, Ruger, Winchester or any other rifle and put a composite folding stock on it you have what is "THE EVIL ASSALT RIFLE". My 7mm Mag. shoots a 175 grain bullet 2950 ft per second and enough energy to take down a bull elk. My father shoots a .338 Winchester Magnum that gets the same velocity from a 225 grain slug. We both have our guns set up to be dead on at 300 yrds and have no problem with shooting at that range. If a hunting rifle such as a 30-06 or .338 were to be used I doubt that there would have been any survivors. The media likes to sensationalize what ever gun is getting used in crimes. The truth be told so called assault rifles account for less that 2 percent of all gun related crimes while the little raven type pocket pistols are used the most because they are cheap. If the guy was taking people out with a sling shot they would be running stories about that. By what I see in the media they consider any semi auto be an assault weapon. Since when did a gun load itself and kill someone on it's own. It takes someone to load it and pull the trigger and blaming the guns and their manufacturers isn't going to stop someone who really wants to kill people. If you outlaw guns then only outlaws will have them.
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I would disagree strongly with your definition of a sniper as a coward. While the "beltway shooter" is probably a coward, I would define a true sniper as a military combatant trained to take out military/tactical targets and come back to fight another day. I know many snipers from my military service a few years ago, and none were cowards. Just because we don't march into battle in rank and file and "wait til we see the whites of their eyes" doesn't mean were cowards.
Back to the beltway shooter, hope he suffers long and hard before going where he belongs for eternity.

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I agree with Firetruck41 on this one. A military sniper is trained to take out key targets and targets of opportunity. This could have an affect on the outcome of upcoming battles. During Vietnam the sniper crews were so affective that the VC put bounties on them. They usually operate as a two man crew and are on thier own behind enemy lines. When caught torture and death was usually the outcome for a sniper. There are documented stories of a single sniper taking on a whole company of enemy soldiers. I would definately classify this is honorable, quite damn impressive if you ask me. During Somalia two snipers requested to be dropped off at one of the downed chopper sites they helded off hundreds of Somalians until they were killed. Definately not a coward. These two soldiers were the first since Vietnam to receive a medal of honor (post humuosly). Based on your definition of a sniper not being honorable is the crew of a stealth bomber or other types of bombers that hide from radar and the view of soldiers on the ground and drop bombs on them then return home to fight another day the same? I am just offering this up as another view point not to argue or say that your view is wrong by any means.
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Except for watching PAULA ZAHN [img]images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] in the morning because she is so darn good-looking, I AVOID TV news because it is SO predictable and because of the incessant "expounding". They take two, maybe three facts, and then talk and talk, and talk about the event as if there were more info when in actuality I KNOW the same three facts. [img]images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] And then there is the predictable "liberal" slant to every damn thing that happens. I have NO DOUBT that the Klintun bitc# and the Shummer-grab-guns-gang....(I'm intentionally mispelling his name as an insult)...will try SOME WAY to make political hay out of this Wa DC shooter thing. [img]images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] After all, GLOBAL DISARMAMENT is the goal of every UN commie and every power-seeking wanna-be dictator. [img]images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] I completelyly agree that the term: "sniper" is a total misnomer in this case, and has been from the outset. Anything under 500 yds is a routine rifle shot, and any similarity between the DC shooter and a trained tactical sniper ends with the fact that they both shoot a rifle. A true sniper would shoot a 6MM bolt action with a barrel that by itself weighs more than an M-16, and his targets are so far away that nobody even hears the gun go off. [img]images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] I've never regarded snipers as less-than-honorable in a military context. I had a good friend who shot a specialized M-1 sniper version in Korea. I wish I had that gun today. In fact, one of our goals is to acquire an M-1 AND an M-14....take THAT Klintun-Schummer and the rest of you UN commies! We need MORE guns, not less! [img]images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] [img]images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] We'd be better off registering muslims instead of guns, since so many of them seem to be bent on our destruction. The pattern that is emerging is worrisome, if not downright alarming. [img]images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
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Re: OT - TV news reporting on \"snipers\" Bushmaster

I was completely behind you, right up to the Muslims crack. [img]images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
That kind of mentality opens us up to the attack on any kind of people. Who's to say we shouldn't register the white and black males? They are responsible for about 80% of the crime in the US. (Followed closely by White and Black females)
You are attacking a politician for jumping to a conclusion about guns, and then doing the same about paople.
Just a humble opinion from someone with little or no political affiliation.
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The news media, controlled by the world order people, will
take any opportunity to criticise guns. The world order
folks can't control you unless you are unarmed. It's all
part of the plan.

The news media made a big stink about how the police would
not reveal everything they knew so the "sniper?" criminal
could evade them and kill more. Killing makes for good
press and job justification.

Chief Moose did an excellent job. But, he should have tossed
the press out completely, arresting and prosecuting any
reporter that violated security by "leaking" any info,
whether the reporter "thought" it was harmless info or not.
Freedom of the press is not freedom to screw up an investigation
or help the criminal.

Most of the shots were at about 100 yards. Most any 8 year
old with a little practice can do that with his .22.
Skilled Military trained Sniper?
The news media first reported in each case the distance was
about 100 yards, now they are distorting the truth to make
it 300 yards.
What do you think their motivation is in doing that?
To make any weapon that shoots more than 5o feet illegal?

Any weapon that "looks mean" in The Peoples Republic of
California is called an assault rifle. If it's black, or has
a folding stock, or a pistol grip, or holds multiple rounds,
or is an auto loader (semi automatic,) has a hood over it's
sight, or a bayonett mount is deemed an assault rifle.
"Or" is the key word here, any of those qualifies it.

By definition it only has to "look" mean to be an assault rifle.

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Besides, he'll be turned loose to do it again.

Where are they going to get a jury that hasn't seen the news?

He'll join OJ in the long long list of criminals turned loose.

Saddom turned his loose, we do it every day.

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They said on teh News the John Muhhamed guy (sniper wanna be freak) was under a restraining order that prevented him fro purchasing a fire arm, yet he purchased the bushmaster AFTER the restraining order?

is it as simple as he lied on the purchase forms, or did the gun dealer drop the ball in the check?

I could care less aboout the assault rifles, $30 pistols scare me way more.
but I thought there was some type of check in place to hopefully prevent some court selcted folks from buying firearms?

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