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Re: OT - TV news reporting on \"snipers\" Bushmaster

From the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

snipe

Pronunciation: 'snIp
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural snipes
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Norse
snIpa snipe; akin to Old High German snepfa snipe
Date: 14th century
1 or plural snipe : any of various usually slender-billed birds of the
same family as the sandpipers; especially : any of several game birds
(especially genus Gallinago) especially of marshy areas
2 : a contemptible person

I'd think if it was meant it to be a compliment, the "r" would have added to the end of a more flattering base word.
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Okay, being married to a PhD candidate in English has certain advantages such as access to a multi-hundred dollar copy of what is generally regarded as an authority on English words -- The OED or Oxford English Dictionary. In it compact form (which means that they fit four pages on the same sheet of paper as one page which requires a magnifying lenses to read) it is 4116 pages long (multiply times four). It gives origins of words and does NOT mention snipe as a contemptible person. It DOES mention that in the 1600s the word snipe was used as a generally abusive term, but not directed at people. The word also is used to describe lawyers.

In the OED it makes distinctions between words that are the same spelling but have vastly different origins. The word snipe as meaning to pick a person off comes from 1782 and may be connected with the practice of snipe hunting which appears to have required significant skill.

A sniper is defines as simply "One who snipes or shoots while concealed". By this definition, the majority of hunters are also snipers.

Now. Where were we?

Oh, The bushmaster...what does it look like?

I was reading a very comprehensive book on guns and they showed the "50 lite" I believe it was called which is a 50 cal. single shot rifle capable of shots into the thousands of yards and can immobilize a thinly armored vehicle.

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Okay, I know what it looks like now!

I also read that they are saying that the military is "training" this nuts! Okay, so how is this different from a univeristy traing a guy in chemistry then the guy going out and building a bomb? As a historian, I have been trained to research and reverse engineer things to better understand them. Does this mean that the news is training me to become a killer? I mean lets look here. They have told me everything that went wrong, showed me what the effect was, and how to avoid being caught! Man what if a terrorist were paying half a minutes attention!!!! Just think. Geesh.

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What really cracks me up is that they take such an emphasis on him being militarily qualified as an "expert", what a joke.

[/ QUOTE ]There were several jokes and not the funny kind in this.

Although not substantiated that I know of yet, the police referred to this guy as being crazy yet allegedly he was hung up on several times when calling the hotline because he was not rational.

The police also had encountered that Caprice three separate times and ignored it because they were obsessed with the description of a white van leaving one of the scenes at a high rate of speed. Let me tell you, if this had happened in KC and I was at the scene in my Jeep, with it running and near an exit, they would have been searching for a brown Jeep with a Tasmanian Devil on the hood that left at a high rate of speed as the shooting began.
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CJTaz, I apologize for my earlier post. We are all intitled to our opinions and I got a little defensive. I'll stick to Jeep topics and keep my opinions to myself. Now, back to the garage to work on the bumper...
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Dan, I respect someone who can apologize when he thinks he has wrongfully offended somebody but to be honest, I had to go back and reread your post to see what you were apologizing for. Yeah, you took a couple of personal shots at me but nothing that bothered me enough to even be memorable. Think nothing of it, I did.

Maybe I'd already been hardened as far as this board by TR, go read some of the "discussions" we had. I'd tell you to do a search for "drama queen" but I don't think it would lead you to the unique thread because he call everybody that. Even with TR being the way he is, he's only mediocre compared to some people I've crossed paths and even horns with.

With the people I work with, we get into "discussions" that onlookers think are going to come to blows. Then a few minutes later they find us eating lunch together or making plans to go to one of the riverboat casinos after work.
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Didn't anybody here ever go "Snipe Hunting?"

Was Lee Harvey Oswald a sniper?

John Wilkes Booth?

Manson?

Wonder what the world would be like if we had a sniper in
position looking at Saddom during the Iraqi war?

During the revoltionary war they used snipers to take out
the Red Coated Britich officers, a very effective tactic.
It caused confusion and disorganization in the British
troops, leading to their downfall.

This guy was by no means a professional. The news media calls
him a sniper for lack of a better word.
If they call him a hero other copy cat whackos will try to
prove how brave they are, even though that's what they'd like,
more killings, more news to report, more "by" lines.

I still say Chief Moose did an excellent job of keeping the
news media from inhibiting the capture of the whacko.











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Was Lee Harvey Oswald a sniper?

[/ QUOTE ]Definitely not! He was three floors below in a lunch room when the shots were fired.

Can't tell you about Booth, some evidence is he didn't do it either, but can you tell me what "My name is Mudd" means? It's related.

I never heard of Charlie Manson shooting anybody from a hidden position. I think his group used knives.

You left out James Earl Ray, even the King family doesn't believe he did it.

It was the media putting out the description of the Caprice that allowed the truck driver to trap him in the rest stop until the police got there. Even though the police made the actual arrest, it was a truck driver that made the actual capture.

Chief Moose is too incompetent to hold that job and should loose it over this. His biggest concern was keeping information secret so nobody else would capture the guy. Had we waited on Moose, the guy would still be on the loose. The police had the description of the Caprice, but found one burned and thought that was the one they were looking for. Now their cover-up story is that they were looking for the white van driver only as a witness, inconsistent with the road blocks and approaching the white vans with guns drawn unless that's the way they treat witnesses in Maryland.

In one of those road blocks, they encountered the Caprice and the shooter. They had another encounter with the shooter and the Caprice during the time of the shootings when he was ticketed for running a red light. They had one more encounter with him during the time as well.

That press conference after the arrest, which by the way was two hours late, was the most self-serving ego trip I've ever seen. First they start out with a moment of silence for a motorcycle officer killed in an unrelated incident, then pat themselves on the back for the capture, which they weren't responsible for, and then as an after thought decide they better have a moment of silence for the victims.

Can somebody explain this to me? After the ballistics check of the rifle found in the Caprice, they prepared to read off the victims that it was a match to. Before he read them, he said they would read the names of the deceased but, "for obvious reasons" not give the names of the survivors. It wasn't obvious to me, I still haven't figured out why the read the deceased names and not the survivors names.
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ok, i was trying to stay out of this one, but i just got home from work and decided to rant a bit [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

in the marine corps there are two levels of marksmen. all marines are trained and expected to perform to a high degree of proficiency with a rifle, so we have your typical professionally instructed gunman (also referred to by snipers as PIG), then we have the rarer hunter of gunman (referred to as HOG), to attain the title of HOG one must endure much training and "indoctrination", this person then carries the title of HOG (or if you look in their service record of 8541 or scout sniper)

first off, having held the title of sniper in an organization that is renowned for its marksmen i get a little offended every time that someone calls this jacka55 a sniper, it took me 12 weeks of training and alot of bs to earn that title.

second, no self respecting sniper would be caught using a .223 round, typically .308 and 7mm are the preferred rounds of snipers (real ones) throughout the world

third, this guy (guys) is a dou**ebag and needs to fry

fourth, chief moose is a moron and needs to take a public speaking class

fifth, being a law enforcement officer i have my own opinions on how this entire ordeal should have been handled, but am a firm believer (having fallen prey to it myself) that those who are not directly involved in an investigation have NO BUSINESS second guessing the actions of those who are

sixth, the media is a bunch of morons and need to shut the heel up, well, ok, some of them should fry too

i will admit that this guy did demonstrate some skill and some proficiency with a rifle (a darn good one at that considering the caliber), but i do not believe that he is a tactical genius or criminal mastermind, he did what most criminals fail to do, use common sense. alas, now he is caught and it is over, may he do the honorable thing and take his own life and save the taxpayers much money in his prosecution.

ok, i'm done [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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i will admit that this guy did demonstrate some skill and some proficiency with a rifle (a darn good one at that considering the caliber)...

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Are you kidding? I know of 5 year olds that could make those shots with that rifle. Up here there are a lot of shooters, it's a way of like and you grow up doing it. Most of the people I know shoot at the brass end of a 12 Ga shell at 25 yards, offhand, with iron sights. This guy was laying in the prone position, which is the most stable.

These guys should fry, but there is nothing special about what they did. They were cowards, plain and simple. Remember how he also changed his name? Gee, that MIGHT have something to do with obtaining the gun. Fact is, he still did it illegally, so no laws are going to protect the rest of us from someone like him and his kind.

I had some friends that were snipers, and they are the most honorable people, in the most honorable profession. They are like surgeons, removing problem areas before they escalate. They are either reactionary or proactionary, but they have a specific mission and are professionals. The least we can do is support them. I never made it to the Sniper Team, never tested for it actually, I was either blowing things up (Combat Engineer, Explosives and Demolitions) or in skool, but did manage to make the Army Rifle Team there on the first try. Kind of funny how I made it (another story), but suffice to say practicing with antiquated weapons makes you damn good with a modern one.

I also think the Mooseketeer should go. After all, we won't need to axe him any more questions and this all might have been over sooner if he hadn't withheld information.
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