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post #1 of (permalink) Old 10-14-2002, 02:04 PM
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CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

For $200 I got 2 front and 1 rear axle for a 78' Scout in good shape and complete. I like the width, but doing some research on the BBS the front seems to have some problems. The issue that bothers me the most is that the ends are the same as my current Dana 30? Is there anyway to inexpensivly improve this? Or is there a certain year wagoneer that had a passenger side pig in the front? There is a 85' Grand Wagoneer for $500 with a rebuilt motor in it down the street from me, but i believe it is a driver side though.
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Re: CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

the ends are the same, but it uses the larger u-joints. d-44's usually break at the u-joints anyway...
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Re: CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

I just went through a similiar swap....

I used a 79 scout II rear dana 44 and a 77 Cherokee front d44. I cut 5 inches off the long side and 2.5 off of the short side to match the rear. I changed the lug pattern, did the cross over steering and everything else that goes with this project. I am pleased with the overall width too.

I am currently working on the brake problem that I now have because of the larger front calipers. You'll need an adjustabel proportioning valve for the rear line. I picked mine up from TSM for $49.

Be prepared to spend a lot of $$$ too!!!

It would be easier to get a waggie front end 79 or earlier and swap that in then it is to use a scout front dana 44. You'll need to outboard your springs and rotate the knuckles in order to gain the correct caster for a CJ. If you use a waggie front end you just need to cut the long side, and the springs can stay in their stock location.

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Re: CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

the outer d44 scout is the same as a d30.. just with a d44 ujoint.. good and bad.. good is you can use your d30 hubs for spares.. bad.. cause you have a crappy lock out hub..
79 and older wagoneers are what you want.. they will be about 2" wider than that scout rear..
and yes.. with the scout you need to grind the knuckles off and adjust its caster for your jeep.. while the wagoneers come with 6 degrees caster and you can usually compensate between that and the pinion angle without grinding anything off.. im running 2 degrees caster and 12 degree on my pinion.. and it works wonderfully..
you can convert it to 5 lug using ford hubs... i havent had a problem with brakes at all using the stock wagoneer parts.. i also did the high steer setup.. have some pics on the website..
currently my axles are up for sale.. d44 front passenger side drop 5 lug.. high steer.. detroit 4:10's.. rear is a d60 semi floater 35 spline.. detroit all new everything but drums..
its all up to you and what you want to spend.. what ever you do.. think about your steering.. thats where the a$$ kicker will be..
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Re: CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

Forget the scout stuff and just go waggy. I had the option of going either way. With the waggy stuff your 3/4 the way done right from the get go. I cut my waggy down 4 1/4 inches on the long side so i wouldnt have to outboard. Like Jeepgod said. The waggy already has plenty of caster and the scout has none. So with the scout you are cutting both knuckles off and turning them. If you outboard you springs and run a waggy 44 you wont have to cut anything. With the waggy you already have the stronger outers. Swap out some ford rotors and use stock ford locking hubs and your set. Also some waggies came stock with 4;27 gears, so if you find one of them your gears are already there.
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Re: CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

How much for the set Jeepgod?
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Re: CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

Alec, did you cut the long side down to a size that matched a stock length from anouther rig, or do you have to have shafts made?
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Re: CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

2k for the axles... if you come and take the t18/d20 combo.. ill even throw in my 35" mtr's.. and white spoke rims for $2500
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Re: CJ Axle swap Scout or Wagoneer

I sent you a private e-mail about your axles.
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