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Jeep shopping- need help!

I'm shopping for my first jeep and I know just enough to get myself into trouble. My intent is to use is for light to medium duty off-roading (to start) and part-time daily driving (read:highway). I've narrowed my choices down to '77-'86 CJ5 or CJ7. What do I need to know? HELP!!!!!!!
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1. different people concider medium duty off roading different thing....
if you are going to be at any angles at all.. you'll want fuel injection.
2. a long daily commute in a cj can get a little stiff...
3. cj's are very old.. they break a lot... they require a lot of maintenance
4. cj-5's are mighty small inside..
have you looked at other jeeps beside the cj's?
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I love my CJ (now) but almost everything is new! Frame, body ('glass), top, glass, paint, suspension, wheels/tires, Howell fuel injection...and on and on. I love how cool the CJ's are, but if I had to do it again, I might have bought a '97 TJ, put a 4" lift and 33's on it and been done. You have to resolve yourself to the fact (with a CJ) that you will almost always be wrenching on it. Do you have that commitment? If not, get a later model YJ or a TJ with EFI. You won't be dissapointed. If you are looking for something to learn on, and take up your time, then by all means, get an old CJ and have at 'er! I don't regret making that decision with mine, and I have learned ALOT, both from working on it and this BBS. But, make up your mind now, 'cause after your half torn into the CJ, it's too late to back out without serious monetary loss.
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1) Oh yeah, carb. Thanks for reminding me. I've been living with EFIs in both of my cars for 10 years and I don't do many angles with my Civic.
2) Since I live in Phoenix, it's not the shakin' that will get me! (it's a dry heat)
3) A couple of the reasons I was thinking CJ is I want a project and I want a good base on which to build.
4) True, but they are bigger than the Toyota FJ40 which I also like.
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Smokngun, I hear ya. I do want a project so I'm not afraid of a little work. Since a long term goal with this vehicle would be to build an obscenely expensive testosterone drippin' rock eatin' man machine wouldn't the CJ make more sense? Correct me if I'm wrong, the CJs were built using more robust parts (i.e. axle assembly). Not to mention the obvious lack of plastic is a big turn on!
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Oh absoloutly! The CJ's are much cooler (sorry guys) with the steel dash and general lack of plastic and junk, and that was the turn on for me. You really didn't state what you wanted to use the jeep for. Most want a daily driver that would see occasional off road use. For your stated purpose, a CJ is a good choice.

The YJ's and TJ's actually have stronger frames than CJ's, but the rest of the parts are a wash. AMC20 vs Dana 35C, the 20 has stronger internal parts, but it could use some help. CJ's have 'non disconect' Dana 30's up front, which is a stronger setup than the two piece axle on the long side of Wranglers and locking hubs are nice. CJ's have tough t-cases, but the Wranglers aren't bad in this dept either. Just remember, everything can be modified to be tougher than it was.

I didn't mean to scare you off of CJ's, If you are jumping into a project though, I just wanted you to know the level of commitment you would need.
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this is an excerpt from a post I keep beating into folks...
truth is, the cj is NOT as robust as the newer jeeps.
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one last time... the tj is far superior to any other jeep made.
1. they are not 30 years old with every part worn out.
2. they have the strongest frames ever put into a jeep
3. they are available with a dana 44 rear axle
4. fuel injection on the best engine ever put into a jeep
5. good tranny's (not t-18, but a stout 5 speed)
6. 20+ mpg
7. nothing rides like a tj on the road
8. AC, cruise control, tilt, high back cloth seats
9. they all have a tach, oil pressure, speedo, water temp, and volt guages
10. OBD II diagnostics (yes this is a good thing)
11. 60" wide axles
12. no vacume disconnects
13. 297x ujoints in the axle shafts = strongest front axle ever in a short jeep
14. excellent cv driveshaft in the front
15. galvanized body
16. round headlights
17. air bags
18. the lowest low range (2.72) ever put in a jeep
19. theres billions of them.. that means lotsa junkyard parts soon
20. they have the best aftermarket support of any jeep
21. the soft tops actually fold down and you take them with you.
22. the wheel openings are larger so big tires dont look dumb under them.
23. the wipers arent right where you are trying to see
24. you can actually see out of all 3 mirrors
25. cool 8" rims and 30" tires from the factory
26. shift on the fly 4wd

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^^^^^^ and for the price of one you could build an "obscenely expensive testosterone drippin' rock eatin' man machine" i say go cj!. when a tj breaks you need 12 mechanics, a mainframe computer, 3 robots and a degree from MIT to fix it. when a cj breaks you need a big hammer and some duct tape.
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In April of 1987, I bought an '80 CJ7 to use as my daily driver. I've still got it and it's still my only driver. What more can I say?

Oh yeah, personal property tax is $18.75/year, that's what!
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hmm..you give me more credit than I am due...
"when a tj breaks you need 12 mechanics, a mainframe computer, 3 robots and a degree from MIT to fix it"
the axles havent changed.. neither has the engine(that I rebuilt) or any ofthe rest of the drivetrain... computers???? plug them in and they work forever.. i havent heard of ANY failing except when submersed.seems like my cj's 304 didnt like getting submersed much either...
price factor...
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after you figure the aftermarket frame to replace that very weak 25+ year old cj frame, and the fiberglass tub..how much are you saving...
as far as testosterone....
my jeep gives me a chubby...





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