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post #1 of (permalink) Old 02-10-2001, 02:40 PM
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Oil pan

I've have a stock oil pan that we painted red and stuck some Moroso stickers on. Well, I broke the dipstick in half when I was putting in the headers a while back, and feel it's time to replace both. I'm going to get a Motorsport dipstick, but what aftermarket oil pan is going to be best suited for the big Broncs?
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Re: Oil pan

From what I read up on them Which isn't too much would stick with stock, because it seems with aftermarket ones you need to replace the oil pump too. at least that's what I got out of the info.

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Yeah, what possible improvement could be made to an oil pan or dipstick??? All the pan does is radiate heat and catch the oil so the pump can suck it up - what would make an aftermarket one worth any more than a good factory one from a junkyard? And you know the junkyard one will work with your engine & pickup tube. Stay stock.

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Hmmm, so how does a "deep sump" help someone out engine wise, and if I got a aftermarket one, wouldn't it hold more oil, which in return would help out performance? (just a thought)
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A deeper pan holds more oil... further from the crankshaft and pistons. So when you drive across that 20% slope, the pickup stays submerged and you don't spin the bearings or stretch the rods. And since there's more oil to go thru the same pump, the average speed of the oil is reduced, increasing the time it spends cooling in the pan. It doesn't help HP/torque performance; it helps driveablility/durability performance.

But not enough (IMO) to justify the cost. Some cost more than an accumulator, which (plumbed and wired properly) reduces engine wear to almost 0 by working as a preoiler with no moving parts, protects against dry sump, and scores higher on the "WOW, what's that thing?" chart than a pan.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img] I've been looking at the Moroso HD unit (#23900) for about $300 with ALL the accessories, and I think it's actually worth it. Rick Pewe and others recommend it, so I'm saving my nickels.

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Re: Oil pan

zero wear? so for $300 i can get an engine that will go forever? sounds like a deal to me. what exactly is this accumulator thing?

It's a Jeep thing? My Bronco thing will run over your little Jeep thing.

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Accumulator

It's just a pressure vessel with a floating piston plumbed into the oil system on the high side with an electric valve. When the key is on and the engine is running, the accumulator is filled with pressurized oil (an extra 2-3 qts). When the key is turned off, the valve closes, holding the accumulated oil. When it's turned on before starting, the valve opens, preoiling the engine. If the pickup in the pan runs dry while driving (because of tilt, slosh, or leak), the accumulator drains thru the open valve protecting the engine for 5-30 seconds (depending on a LOT of factors).

Moroso shows the accumulators they offer (there are other mfrs.) and also; they invented the deep oil pans that started this thread. They're not retailers, though. Check Jeg's, Summit, etc. for prices.

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Re: Accumulator

I've never thought about it running dry, but seeing where the pickup is, it definitely could. I have thought about the pre-startup oiling before, but just thought I was being paranoid. Wouldn't that only be a factor if it's been a long time since it was last started?

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Re: Accumulator

Not according to the stats Moroso and other preoilers like to tout. Most of them claim that something like 80% of engine wear occurrs at startup. And there are also oil additives on the market that claim to make the oil stick up inside the engine longer after you turn it off - you know the ones with the plastic gears in the lexan box on parts store counters? I don't know anyone who has tried that stuff, though. I'm not gonna.

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I believe Canton makes a performance pan that will fit. The pans DO offer many benefits other than just 7qt capacity. The Accusumps (as I have always known them) are definately cool (have one in my Mustang) but there is MUCH that can be gained from a good performance pan over a junkyard factory pan. A good performance pan will have a crank scraper (good for around 8-10 ponies), windage tray, and/or trapdoor baffle system to keep oil in the pickup area under extreme angles. If you're going to have the pan off anyway, it would be cheap insurance to replace the oil pump with a high-flow unit. Melling makes a good one for around $40, M83HV is the part number I believe. If you're creative, you can even weld in your own baffles and crank scraper to the stock pan. I've done this before using 16 gauge mild steel, and I've even seen you-weld-it kits that give you all of the cut pieces and/or patterns.

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