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post #1 of (permalink) Old 02-09-2001, 09:05 AM
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All right, here\'s another one........balljoints

Sorry if I am posting like crazy. Hunting season is over and I have a lot of jobs I need to get done. Again, '86 Bronco, 351 W, 147,000 miles. I am going to replace the balljoints this weekend. I have done them on a lot of vehicles but never on this one. I have a few questions for you guys who have more experience with Broncos than I do. Balljoints are shot, tierod joints look bad, boots are torn but I don't know how the joints are. The drag link joints have torn boots but I haven't checked the joints (note: I lube these joints every 3,000 miles during oil change). If I need new drag link joints do I have to replace the entire drag link or can you replce the joints? I haven't looked closely at this yet? Same question for the tierods, can you replace ends or is it the entire rod minus the sleeve? The real question here, is there any other components that should be replaced while I have all of this removed? Looking in the manual last night, it looks like the spindle needle bearings should be removed and repacked and I was assuming the wheel seals need to be replaced. Of course the hubs and wheel bearings need to be re-lubed.

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Yeah, you've gotta go thru the spindle to get axleshaft out so the knuckle will drop so you can get the balljoints out. (Simple, eh?) So plan on at least checking & servicing, if not replacing, everything along the way. And it takes a special tool to remove & install them (looks like a 6x6" clamp), but you can usually borrow it from the parts store. If it's at all possible, I'd recommend getting polyurethane boots from Energy, Daystar, etc. for the ball joints and tie rod ends - it would take 8 pieces for everything. Each of the 4 pieces of steering linkage is replaced as a unit (not just the ball-stud), but they're only about $30 ea. I would just replace those needle bearings - they're only $8 ea. And, you're right about the wheel seals, too. Remember, the locking hubs should NOT be packed with grease.

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There is a tech article regarding changing balljoints at www.bigbroncos.com

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do you lube the locking hubs with anything or not ?

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Yes, they need some grease, but if they're PACKED, they can't move to engage or disengage. Look at it next time you have one out, and you'll see what I mean.

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I read the tech article and I thought the added pictures were pretty cool. The problem with the article is it doesn't mention anything about torque specs on ball joints or other parts, which are extremely important with steering components. The article is helpful but you really need a good manual and some experience as well. I spent a couple hours going through the procedure and recognizing every part I needed to replace last night. This evening I bought all the parts, Moog parts, which aren't real cheap but should endure tough conditions for a long time. I bought ball joints, tie rod ends, spindle bearing kits, and inner wheel seals. I am going to start in the morning. Actually I am kind of excited because my '86 with 146,000 is running better now than it has since I have owned it. The 351 is still strong and since I rebuilt the carb, replaced the coil and brain box, the motor is purring and full of piss and vinigar. I am ready to get this front end in shape and see how the old girl reacts off road. Unfortunately we have a major cold front running through Illinois right now so things are going to be froze for a while.


I almost forgot to add, I double checked the manual after you mentioned not packing the hubs Steve, it says to cover with a light coat of greese, just don't pack the hubs. Thanks for bringing that up.
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I just bought a set of warn premiumsfor my '90 are they hard to do? directions seem pretty easy but when I do things It's never easy. do I not put grease in them???

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Installing the hubs are an easy job like the instructions state. You need to use your bearing grease and run a light coat over the parts before you install them. Like Steve mentioned, don't pack the hubs as if they were bearings.

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Actually, I replaced my Warn regulars (don't ask how I broke those!) with Warn premiums and the instructions said that they were pre-greased for life from the factory. I find that hard to believe.
By the way, I liked the old ones twice as much as these Premiums. These are always a bitch to engage, requiring a full turn and two hands to get the sucker to fully lock. The old ones took 1/4 turn with one finger and they were cocked, locked, and ready to rock!

It's a Jeep thing? My Bronco thing will run over your little Jeep thing.

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Muddy,
Actually, how did you break those. The reason I ask is because I am running the same ones. (They are black, say WARN on the middle part, and don't have the fingernail type grip, but the large raised center part so you can actually grip the things.)
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