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post #1 of (permalink) Old 01-30-2003, 03:03 PM
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dedicated trail rig

living in Arizona we have some of the best rock crawling trails in the nation. I have been on some of the lighter trails in the Bronco but as my daily driver it makes me too nervous to do any serious crawling. I have been looking into a dedicated trail rig that would be towed by the bronc so that I don't have to worry about body damage. I have to say that some of the zuks that i've come across are pretty impressive especially in the articulation and weight catagories. I'm hoping that some of you with more experience could enlighten me on the pros and cons of a zuk and what a good buildup plan might be. Also how much should I expect to spend on a stock zuk and what options I should look for. How do they compare to j**ps?

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Well when it comes to a serious 4x4, you basically got two options. A small, light rig or a large, high horsepower rig. Both have pros and cons. The light rigs are great climbers because of their weight and don't need a whole lot of horsepower. I know guys who keep their engine stock and do great. The cons are they tend to get tipsy when lifted and can easily get pressed in bad areas because of their small size. Now onto fullsize rigs. Fullsize rigs usually have a lot of muscle and have plenty of room for real beefy mods. Because of their width, for what was a big obstical to a small rig, wouldn't be nearly as bad for the fullsize rig. Now the cons. Because of their size though, they can be sometimes limited to some trails simply because they can't fit. Also their weight can be a problem when it comes to fixing a problem, such as a roll over or just getting stuck in something. I hope this helps you out a little bit.
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Zuks rule! my zuk will go anywhere my bronco will go and more.
the poplular model seems to be the 87-to end production samari. in 90 or so they got FI which added a little power. The carbed ones though dont die out like a carbed bronco will, they will run at any agle you put them on, hell mine ran upside down and on its side before i had a chance to kill the thing in the few rolls its been in.
Mines not pretty, but with scout 44's, dual lockers, dual T cases, Hydro steer, YJ spring over conversion, extended wheel base and full cage it will go almost anywhere in the rocks i point it. you can find beat up ones now for under $500, or get yourself a fairly decent one for $1500 around here.
Mine has less than 1200 invested in mine, which i think is great for all the mods i have done to it!
The weak parts for wheelign with them is lack of power and weak axles. alot of guys use aftermarket parts in the stock axles to make them beeifer, guys make hybrid axles using sidekick parts, Toyota axle swaps are poplualr, then you can go D44's from a waggy or scout, but both require lots of fab work.
YJ jeep springs sprung over the axle make about 8 inches of lift and room to clear 32's and 33's without hacking the fenders. Mine will fit 36' with that setup. I feel that that is already high enough for a zuk.
power is also lacking, but guys overcome this by adding low gears to the axles, dual T cases, or regearing the T cases for a lower low range.
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and for all you guys who didnt know, im a closet Zuk Lover, I own 1, and my dad 2.
Ill add some more to this tonight, i got to get going right now though.
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I cant even afford the truck i drive on the street let alone a second vehicle.
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Less than $1200! [img]images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] thats what im looking for. a cheap rig that I don't mind beating the shiz out of. I don't want to have to worry about roll overs and with a light rig like a zuk it would be pretty easy to flip back over. I would most likely swap out for toyota axles but keep the engine stock and just regear like you mentioned. what are some of the first and most important mods that i should look into? also do you have any good zuk links? Is it worth it to spend the extra cash on a newer model that has fuel injection or is the stock carb just fine? any other comments would be great!
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hello. i have owned a ton of samurais and they are cheap and tough as nails. the basic trail zuk has a spring over lift, which if ya can weld, you can do yourself(real cheap). lockers are cheap and easy to install in zuk axles($199) and are a must for traction or just weld em up. 4:1 t-case rock crawler gears can be bought for $399 from trailtough.com. or make your own dual t-case setup to help you gearing with bigger tires. stock zuk axles are fine up to 33 inch tires. check out the suzuki section here on orc. we can answer all your questions on zuks.

as far as efi, if you get one with a good running stock carb then you will be just fine. the stock carb will run upside down....and i know this cuz mine did.

just for reference, my latest project zuk is gonna be trail only and i will not have more than $500 into the truck and that includes the price of the zuk ($100). welded the diffs front and rear, installed 3 inch springs i got used ($75) and weber carb i got used ($125).
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i forgot to mention that my favorite vehical to pull my zuks ass to the trail is with a FORD!! [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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3 years ago when i lost my first wheel bearing at 80mph, i hobbled off the interstate and ended up at a house with 2 samurais parked out front. they were obviously setup for wheeling, but i'd never even heard of a zuk at that point, so i asked him about them and how he liked them. he said they were just ATVs that you can ride in the rain and not get wet [img]images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] from the videos and pics i've seen, he is right! they will go anywhere with only a little bit of modification. there is nothing wrong with being a closet Zuk lover, if you want to get serious about wheelin, using and abusing your street rig doesnt make much sense. dont get me wrong, i love having a "big bronco" that is ready to get dirty with the turn of 2 dials no matter where i am, but taking the beast offroad has left its marks. I nailed my passenger door pretty good last time i was in Disney, and now I visualize what my truck will look like in a couple years: Kurt Hartsig's Bronco! (see pic below) I dont mind some scratches and dents, but I enjoy doors that open and windows that roll down [img]images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] And it doesnt get cheaper than a dedicated rig because you dont have to worry about street manners... tractor tires, top speed of 20 mph, crazy suspension, why not! Zach is on base here, $1200 will net you a nice Zuk and put another grand into it and you're crawlin with the big boys. It can do 4-diamond trails with 33's and a rear locker no problem. Head over to the Suzuki forum and you'll see that there's way more going on in the Zuk world than there is in the Jeep world, and at a tiny fraction of the price [img]images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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I think Zuks are way cool, and they have earned my respect.

That said, there's no reason you can't 'wheel your Bronco and keep it streetable. But there will come a point when the size and weight will bite you. So, how hardcore do you wanna go?

As for body damage, who cares?? [img]images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Well there are a ton of trails within 2 hours of me that i would love to run but after seeing pics i wouldn't dare take my Bronco. Here is an example. [img]images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]
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