Off-Road Forums & Discussion Groups

Off-Road Forums & Discussion Groups (
-   Ford 67-96 F-Series, 78-96 Bronco (
-   -   dedicated trail rig (

**DONOTDELETE** 01-30-2003 03:03 PM

dedicated trail rig
1 Attachment(s)
living in Arizona we have some of the best rock crawling trails in the nation. I have been on some of the lighter trails in the Bronco but as my daily driver it makes me too nervous to do any serious crawling. I have been looking into a dedicated trail rig that would be towed by the bronc so that I don't have to worry about body damage. I have to say that some of the zuks that i've come across are pretty impressive especially in the articulation and weight catagories. I'm hoping that some of you with more experience could enlighten me on the pros and cons of a zuk and what a good buildup plan might be. Also how much should I expect to spend on a stock zuk and what options I should look for. How do they compare to j**ps?


LowGearMonster 01-30-2003 03:18 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
Well when it comes to a serious 4x4, you basically got two options. A small, light rig or a large, high horsepower rig. Both have pros and cons. The light rigs are great climbers because of their weight and don't need a whole lot of horsepower. I know guys who keep their engine stock and do great. The cons are they tend to get tipsy when lifted and can easily get pressed in bad areas because of their small size. Now onto fullsize rigs. Fullsize rigs usually have a lot of muscle and have plenty of room for real beefy mods. Because of their width, for what was a big obstical to a small rig, wouldn't be nearly as bad for the fullsize rig. Now the cons. Because of their size though, they can be sometimes limited to some trails simply because they can't fit. Also their weight can be a problem when it comes to fixing a problem, such as a roll over or just getting stuck in something. I hope this helps you out a little bit.

BurnedBronco 01-30-2003 05:00 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
Zuks rule! my zuk will go anywhere my bronco will go and more.
the poplular model seems to be the 87-to end production samari. in 90 or so they got FI which added a little power. The carbed ones though dont die out like a carbed bronco will, they will run at any agle you put them on, hell mine ran upside down and on its side before i had a chance to kill the thing in the few rolls its been in.
Mines not pretty, but with scout 44's, dual lockers, dual T cases, Hydro steer, YJ spring over conversion, extended wheel base and full cage it will go almost anywhere in the rocks i point it. you can find beat up ones now for under $500, or get yourself a fairly decent one for $1500 around here.
Mine has less than 1200 invested in mine, which i think is great for all the mods i have done to it!
The weak parts for wheelign with them is lack of power and weak axles. alot of guys use aftermarket parts in the stock axles to make them beeifer, guys make hybrid axles using sidekick parts, Toyota axle swaps are poplualr, then you can go D44's from a waggy or scout, but both require lots of fab work.
YJ jeep springs sprung over the axle make about 8 inches of lift and room to clear 32's and 33's without hacking the fenders. Mine will fit 36' with that setup. I feel that that is already high enough for a zuk.
power is also lacking, but guys overcome this by adding low gears to the axles, dual T cases, or regearing the T cases for a lower low range.
A few pics of my setup.

and for all you guys who didnt know, im a closet Zuk Lover, I own 1, and my dad 2.
Ill add some more to this tonight, i got to get going right now though.

86convert4wd 01-30-2003 05:06 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
I cant even afford the truck i drive on the street let alone a second vehicle.

**DONOTDELETE** 01-30-2003 06:02 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
Less than $1200! [img]images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] thats what im looking for. a cheap rig that I don't mind beating the shiz out of. I don't want to have to worry about roll overs and with a light rig like a zuk it would be pretty easy to flip back over. I would most likely swap out for toyota axles but keep the engine stock and just regear like you mentioned. what are some of the first and most important mods that i should look into? also do you have any good zuk links? Is it worth it to spend the extra cash on a newer model that has fuel injection or is the stock carb just fine? any other comments would be great!

blue_zuk 01-30-2003 09:48 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
hello. i have owned a ton of samurais and they are cheap and tough as nails. the basic trail zuk has a spring over lift, which if ya can weld, you can do yourself(real cheap). lockers are cheap and easy to install in zuk axles($199) and are a must for traction or just weld em up. 4:1 t-case rock crawler gears can be bought for $399 from or make your own dual t-case setup to help you gearing with bigger tires. stock zuk axles are fine up to 33 inch tires. check out the suzuki section here on orc. we can answer all your questions on zuks.

as far as efi, if you get one with a good running stock carb then you will be just fine. the stock carb will run upside down....and i know this cuz mine did.

just for reference, my latest project zuk is gonna be trail only and i will not have more than $500 into the truck and that includes the price of the zuk ($100). welded the diffs front and rear, installed 3 inch springs i got used ($75) and weber carb i got used ($125).

blue_zuk 01-30-2003 09:51 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
i forgot to mention that my favorite vehical to pull my zuks ass to the trail is with a FORD!! [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

muddybronco 01-30-2003 11:55 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
3 years ago when i lost my first wheel bearing at 80mph, i hobbled off the interstate and ended up at a house with 2 samurais parked out front. they were obviously setup for wheeling, but i'd never even heard of a zuk at that point, so i asked him about them and how he liked them. he said they were just ATVs that you can ride in the rain and not get wet [img]images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img] from the videos and pics i've seen, he is right! they will go anywhere with only a little bit of modification. there is nothing wrong with being a closet Zuk lover, if you want to get serious about wheelin, using and abusing your street rig doesnt make much sense. dont get me wrong, i love having a "big bronco" that is ready to get dirty with the turn of 2 dials no matter where i am, but taking the beast offroad has left its marks. I nailed my passenger door pretty good last time i was in Disney, and now I visualize what my truck will look like in a couple years: Kurt Hartsig's Bronco! (see pic below) I dont mind some scratches and dents, but I enjoy doors that open and windows that roll down [img]images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] And it doesnt get cheaper than a dedicated rig because you dont have to worry about street manners... tractor tires, top speed of 20 mph, crazy suspension, why not! Zach is on base here, $1200 will net you a nice Zuk and put another grand into it and you're crawlin with the big boys. It can do 4-diamond trails with 33's and a rear locker no problem. Head over to the Suzuki forum and you'll see that there's way more going on in the Zuk world than there is in the Jeep world, and at a tiny fraction of the price [img]images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

<img src=>

Shilo 01-31-2003 10:47 AM

Re: dedicated trail rig
I think Zuks are way cool, and they have earned my respect.

That said, there's no reason you can't 'wheel your Bronco and keep it streetable. But there will come a point when the size and weight will bite you. So, how hardcore do you wanna go?

As for body damage, who cares?? [img]images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

**DONOTDELETE** 01-31-2003 10:58 AM

Re: dedicated trail rig
1 Attachment(s)
Well there are a ton of trails within 2 hours of me that i would love to run but after seeing pics i wouldn't dare take my Bronco. Here is an example. [img]images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img]

tsm1mt 01-31-2003 02:10 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
Why not just buy another Bronco? They're cheap and plentiful, and you already know how to work on them.

Bonus, the parts truck may have goodies you want for your street truck, and.. they swap. :-)

Strip off what you don't need, sell it to someone that needs it, and have fun.

A little trimming and 35s fit without any lift. Start with a V8 and the transmission of your choice.. what's left to do? [img]images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

**DONOTDELETE** 01-31-2003 02:38 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
because it won't fit where i want to take it. [img]images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] and the bronc is too heavy to just roll back over. Don't get me wrong I love my bronco and will still go mudding, camping, and some wheeling. but with this setup i would have the best of both worlds.

Injected 01-31-2003 02:57 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
I run a '74 Scout II with a fuel injected 258 for my trail rig, I love it because it's cheap and tough. I flat tow it behind the Bronco.
My '74 Fuelie Six Scout II

kortam 01-31-2003 04:40 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
buy a lil junk BII then they fit damn near anywhere are way too plenty and cheap nowadays and if ya got a fullsize with a 302 sittin around you got yourself a nice heart transplant victim, i mean donor.

LowGearMonster 01-31-2003 05:03 PM

Re: dedicated trail rig
I agree with the B2. Also, they are built like tanks and can take a lot of punishment. I would recommend cutting the back off with the big windows so they don't break out on the trail.

muddybronco 02-01-2003 01:48 AM

Re: dedicated trail rig
theres a B2 here at my apt complex and every time i walk by it i think that it is everything a Sammi is plus power steering, V6, and auto tranny from the factory! plus it's FORD! if i find one of those cheap before i find a Sammi, i'll get it for sure. then it would be sawzall time.. heh heh heh, evil chuckle [img]images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

only downside is the IFS, but that will just encourage me to jump it, so maybe thats a good thing [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

BurnedBronco 02-01-2003 07:36 AM

Re: dedicated trail rig
I'm currently running two trail vehciles, and its getting real time consuming and confusing, but atleast one always runs. My bronco will be trail only here in a little while here when i get the F250 going in the next week or so. I'm going to let the lisence expire and cancel the insurance and put "Farm" insurance on it and then my stuff will just get wheeled only. I think thats what is going to have to happen as insurance is killing me. With no insurance on th ebronco i can afford my BIG trailer sooner.

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:48 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2020 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©1994-2009, VerticalScope Inc. // Off Road forums & discussion groups sitemap
side by side | atv | dirtbike | snowmobile | sandsport | competition | land use | Jeep | Toyota | Ford | GM

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome