I am very glad to hear that camleback took the heat for this and are trying to keep similar mistakes from occuring again, maybe they will succeed, maybe not.
I never, in any way, ment to insult anybody who owns this product, I simply stated the facts as I see them... and as i said have only seen the one group of people with camleback products, and that is what I thought about those people, i never implied the same about everybody who has one. sorry to those who took it the wrong way.
If you look back to the origional post by Mr Dune you will see that he said that he will no longer use camleback products along with sending a letter of dissapointment, which means he is pretty much boycotting them. Air born is discussing dissapointment in the lack of interest in this, a feeling i share. However with my education baised half in marketing, and having gone to a school strongly baised on enviromental issues (Marine Bio is most popular study), I have learned to take issues such as this looking at both sides, and I suggested that perhaps us offroaders are not their main market, which may or may not be true.
I do know that giving support to a bill or group by a company is in the end not a matter of pure charity, but a marketing strategy that is ment to create product and/or company awareness in a nitch market, in most cases their main market or one with the most potential. Don't think it was not thought out, and if the case is that it truly was not thought out I would worry about the long term duribility of the company because of it's poor distribution of reasources. BUT READING THE DIRTBIKE BOARD there is a post that says that maybe this was all caused by a missquoted employee, i hope this is true and this is "a big to do about nothing".
Now, Airborn, Why would you find it hard to believe that i never met anybody who rides who owns a camleback product? I find that 95% of the people I run into have never saw an atv? is that hard to believe also? for some it's that toy they saw in last months issue of playboy in the "suggested gifts" page.
I do find conflicting views in your posts on this subject, you start by saying you want to boycott them - a very strong against, then tell me they are great??? at least I find that odd, maybe you just had a change of heart.
And no, i do not include you in that group of pro enviromental people, and thank you for accually contacting the company to clear up some issues, if we all were so willing to go that far, offroaders as a group would be better off.
Tell me, if you dont mind, where do you mainly ride? i ride in an area that varies in terrain from hard pack to sand next to each other, the terrain is mostly forest, and since pine trees seem to thrive in sand, i ride in an area known as the pine barrens. I am lucky enough to have acess to 15 sq mile's with only a few road crossings in them, in fact it's hard to go 5 miles without hitting a major road. I also ride in local sand pits and old quarries. The people i ride with and meet on the trail either race their bikes and are out for practice, are just out for a quick ride and to hang out, or to trailride (as I do). In most cases fresh gas, food, and drinks are less than a 3 min. ride away... weather it's kept in a truck, bought from a store, or tucked away on the side of a trail it's there, and most of us are willing to share our supplies with others, a rarity in New York. I find no need for a camleback in this situation, and without starting a war, would like you to realize this also.
In my area there are no deserts, and no open areas to ride in. The closest thing to people who ride cross country are a few older guys on duelsports who ride to an area, through it, and then on to the next. They wear full gear, but no camlebacks, strange, kinda like everybody else i've seen around here.
Now concider that it may just be a regional thing, or it can be the fact that there are no public legal riding areas on long island, and those of us who ride here do not use gear if it is not needed if just to help with mobility. I have not seen any camleback products in local motorcycle shops, just in mail order catalogs. Most of the riders i found do not have extra cash to throw at a camleback, those who do have that financial ability to buy one usually complain to me that they are too busy doing other things and are unable to ride, and are also thinking about getting out of the sport.
So Is it possible to run into people who do not use camleback products, in my case yes....
i am sorry to make this post so long.
83 ATC 250r, 84 atc 250r (parting out), ATC 185s, 85 Ktm 350mxc