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Old 09-06-2001, 03:15 PM
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Default Chevy 4.3 into my Samurai

2.8 was sold out from under me. Got a line on a 4.3. Any info on that?[ Original message: I've lucked up on a good 2.8 out of a Camaro and am wanting to put it in my Zook. I need all the information I can find about this: kit, DIY, problems, results, tricks, etc.]

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Old 09-06-2001, 03:25 PM
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I have a MPI out of am '85 Camaro in mine and a 700R4 with a Dana 300 and Dana 44's with 5.89's. The motor is a pretty easy swap. The overal length of the Motor Tranny and t-case are actually shorter than the stock setup. My borhter's Sammy has a carbed 2.8 from an S-10 and the T5 from the same truck and the t-case is moved back to retain the stock Suzuki case. The rear drive shaft is a few inches shorter than the stock one but so far it seems to work OK. The nice thing about the 2.8 is parts availability. The 60* block also fits much easier than the 90* 4.3's. The 2.8 is not exactly known as a performance motor but they are reasonable and are a huge improvement over the stock 1.3.

Ask PPillard ,on this list sometimes, for some info on this-he is looking at doing the same type of deal and I've sent him a couple of pretty long messages regarding mounting and wiring the 2.8

Hope some of this helps.
Where are you located? Going to the GOtZuk run in Disney OK Oct. 6-7 by chance???

Jason

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Old 09-06-2001, 03:28 PM
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I'm in Carrollton, Georgia, and therefore won't be going to OK. Gonna look at the ZukiSouth run at Tellico (NC) in a few weeks. I've e-mailed ppillard. Hope he responds.

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Old 09-06-2001, 03:30 PM
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Hey, Mike good to see you on the list. It is about time. You have found a very valuable resource here. I know these guys will make you feel at home.

Jason

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Old 09-06-2001, 03:32 PM
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Just a heads up. You should go and fill out our profile. That way people can see who and where you are. This helps a lot when tring to aquire parts.

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Old 09-06-2001, 04:03 PM
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Hey blue, I haven't recieved your email (which is unusual) but I have read your posts. Here are Jason's emails, there's some really good data in here:

Hey Pillard,
I haven't looked at the carb'd 2.8 but my motor swaps in the past have been from non sami / sidekick donors. So don't ask which wire to which wire but here are some suggestions for you!
First things first what year is your zuk and is it california emissions or not?
I wouldn't be too worried about the computer. Essentially what you are going to need to do it run your chev and zuk harnesses independantly of each other. If its a carb'd six the computer is for emmisions purposes. You will need to supply the computer with power, a ground and all the sensor inputs. Likely all of the inputs will be from the engine and its components (ie oxygen sensors, coil, distributor etc). The only outputs the computer has will be either to the engine electircal components (which is the chev factory harness) or to the gauges on your dash. What you need to do is get service manuals (or atleast electrical schematics) for both the motor and the sami (haynes, chilton etc.) then cross reference things like oil pressure, coolant temp, ignition, tach, check engine, fuel pump (if its electric!) etc. The other thing is tying the charging systems on each harness together, which could be a little more tricky. Basically do a whole bunch of leg work on those diagrams and make a list or diagram of the connections you need to make.
I hope this helps a little. If you need more e-mail me or post here.
later
D

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The computer doesn't require that much to run.
If you have the motor and tranny in the donor vehicle then just swap things
like they are. I mounted the coumpter under the dash on the passenger's
side. You have to use and electric fuel pump. At Auto Zone they have one for
a Ford application that is an external mount (meaning not in the tank) and
it works very well. It is an E2000 and has a life time warranty. It is about
$100. You just put it in line in the larger line coming out of the stock
tank and continue on to the motor. The return line must also be hooked up as
the electric pump just keeps pumping. The motor only takes what it needs to
run and the rest is sent back to the tank. The harness and computer is best
kept plugged to the motor and just swapped over. Here is my website
www.home.earthlink.net/~jasonbyerley it kinda sucks since it hasn't had any
changes made to it in the past year or more. The pics of the sammy are
without the motor swap. It still has the stock 1.3 but it does have the
axles under it. Feel free to ask me anything I can help you with. The secret
to the whole thing is label EVERYTHING and things should go smoothly.

Are you on the Topica Suzuki list? if not you can check out the discussions
at http://www.topica.com/lists/suzuki.4x4/read sometimes there is helpful
info here bust alot of times it is just jibberish. They are talking of
another GOTZUK run in Disney Oklahoma in October. That might not be too bad
of a haul for you. Probably 5-6 hours. The one last February was great. A
lot of Suzukis with a lot of mods. Everything from stock to turbo diesels on
35's.

Later
J

> Hey, the swap is not too hard. The 2.8 fits alot easier than a 4.3. Set
the
> motor as far back as possible to create more radiator room and room for
> power steering if you ever want it. The engine tranny combo with the Dana
> 300 transfer came up to several inches shorter than the stock combo. So
the
> rear driveshaft is actuall longer than it was stock. The computer is
really
> simple. Just mark all of your wires as you disconnect them. The only
sensors
> on the 2.8 that aren't in the block or the engine somewhere is the O2
sensor
> you have to put in the exhaust. Put that sensor somewhere approx under
the
> drivers seat. Don't put it too close to the manifold because it won't
take
> the heat. The only problem I had with mine after I got it running was a
> problem with it not wanting to start when it was cold out. Like first
thing
> in the morning. The TPS(throttle position sensor) was finaly found the be
> the cause. I put the diagnostic port under the dash that the Camaro donor
> car had so I can run codes. The 700R4 will bolt to a number of different
> transfers with differnet adaptors, you have to reemove the tailshaft and
> have the main shaft shortened and re-splinned. The Nissan power steering
box
> works great. I just adapted the Standard fittings on the ends of the 2.8
> pump to metric fittings to fit the box and things work great. One finger
> steering and no squeel or whine. Right now I am using a radiator from an
> RX7. It keeps the motor cool in all but hard driving. Offroad things seem
to
> be fine but if I take it out on the roads the motor wants to turn too
many
> RPM's with the 5.89 gears, even with the overdrive. I used motor mounts
out
> of the Camaro welded to 1/4" wall angle iron wlded to the frame to make
an
> angled mount. The tranny/transfer mount is made from a 1" x 3" piece of
1/4"
> channel iron. I had to cut the stock crossmember out and made the new one
a
> bolt in piece so service would be easier. My brother has a carborated 2.8
> and 5 spd from an S-10 in his with the stock transfer case and Dana
axles.
> That combo works pretty well too. In order to run a divorced style
transfer
> like that the motor has to be set farther forward though, to make room
for a
> rear driveshaft.
>
> The power of the 2.8 is not earth-shattering. I mean it still won't be a
rig
> you wan't to take to the drag strip but it is a HUGE improvement over
stock.
> It is more than 2.5 times the power that they came with.
>
> Sorry this is so spastic. I was just rattling off anything that came to
> mind.
>
> I hope some of this helps. If you have any questions I might be able to
> help. No guarantees but I'll try.


There, hope that helps you out! Lemme know if you get yours done before me! I'm scheduled to start my swap at the end of next month.


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Old 09-06-2001, 10:47 PM
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Not a Chibby fan but this might be the way to go

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Old 09-06-2001, 11:05 PM
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hey perry lets make a deal i help you with yours and you help me with mine i wanna do my swap in about 2-3 months

-Buck
5.5" spoa, 4" BDS, rear up front, 5.38 R&Ps, 4:16 t-case gears, 35x14.5 Tsl Thornbirds
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Old 09-06-2001, 11:25 PM
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don't worry too much about the alternater guys. get an early 80's camaro or pickup alt with built in regulator. it has one big terminal on the back and a 2 prong clip on top. run a jumper wire from the closest prong to the large terminal on the back and wire these directly to the + side of the battery. the other prong is a swith to turn the alt on wire it to the ign so it gets hot when the key is on . and you are done. i've run these on everthing out there with no problems at all. other than that, if you are carbed, just wire the starter wire and a hot wire fer the coil and it's alive. easy enough. if ya got fuel injection i can't help. ha ha ha.

87 sammy (RAIL BUGGY) PROJECT 50 % complete. isuzu/chevy luv motor, auto tranny, 2 t-cases nissan/zook 7.5:1,tube chassis,4link vw rabbit coils rear,36"tsl's, 1/2 ton GM axles welded.
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Old 09-07-2001, 08:52 AM
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Sounds like a deal, buck. Do you have your engine, yet?

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