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post #1 of (permalink) Old 07-25-2002, 07:22 AM
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Samurai 1.3L vs. Sidekick 1.6L

What is the difference between these two engines in stock form? Is the 1.6L engine a lot better than the 1.3L? I was thinking of doing an engine swap to my Sami for more power, but I want to only spend money where it's needed. I intend to drive my everywhere, both on road and off.



I want to have a stable manageable ride on road where I can use all 5 gears and not have super high rpms. I want to run Spidertrax Sidewinder axles front and rear with at least 35" tires. I was thinking of gearing the tcase with 4.16 gears and 5.13 rings and pinions. I want to take the vehicle mudding, rock crawling, sand crawling, and normal trail riding. Can I get by with a rebuilt 1.3L with extra addons, like headers, exhaust, intake, etc? Thanks for the suggestions!

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post #2 of (permalink) Old 07-25-2002, 08:07 AM
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Re: Samurai 1.3L vs. Sidekick 1.6L

The stock 1.3 puts out about 66 hp. The 1.6 8 valve motor has about 85 hp. And the 1.6 16 valve has about 100 hp. (Not exact, but close ranges)
The 1.3 with the mods you're describing would probably do just fine. For all those mods, you ought to ride with someone who has done a few of them to get a feel for what you want to do. There's a give-and-take for all the upgrades.
Face it, you're gonna have some high revs, especially if you run 35's.
To give you a clue, I have a 1.6 (8 valve), weber carb, 5:38 diff gears, stock transfer case. At 55 mph, I'm taching about 3500 rpms. My shift usually occurs at about 3000 rpms for each gear. I have plenty of power and can go up to 80 mph (about 5000 rpms) - but she's winding out and noisy. However, both the 1.3 and the 1.6 are built for higher revs anyway and redline at 6500 rpm's.
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Re: Samurai 1.3L vs. Sidekick 1.6L

My best advice is to do your motor last if it is running good now. I wish I would have. For the 1.6 8V def. go with that when the 1.3 goes south. It doesn't seem to rev as high as my 1.3 did though. But with 30" tires I could use all 5 gears and top out at 85 or so.
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Re: Samurai 1.3L vs. Sidekick 1.6L

I have to take exception to running a 1.6's revs too high. Heard of more and more that put a rod thru the side. The 1.3 rods are actually stronger than the 1.6 rods. Saarge made a comment elswhere that applies. Think as if a 1.3 is a small block and a 1.6 as a big block. One revs safely and one doesnt.
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Re: Samurai 1.3L vs. Sidekick 1.6L

FIRST OF ALL PLEASE FILL IN YOUR LOCATION

i have done a swap from 1.3 to a 1.6
i have a grs1 and still stock 3.73
also have a weber with a ported intake from sarge
get about 16 to 18 mpg on super (93) lots better from the 9 mpg in the old 1.3
i have taken pics while the work was ongoing if you would like me to e-mail you but no addy in the profile email me packmate1@msn.com or call cell# 678-468-8911
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Re: Samurai 1.3L vs. Sidekick 1.6L

which is which?
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Re: Samurai 1.3L vs. Sidekick 1.6L

In those Pictures, which rod is from which engine?
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Re: Samurai 1.3L vs. Sidekick 1.6L

That's odd that you have a problem with running a 1.6 at "high revs". OK, well maybe it's a matter of DEFINITION. I currently have two 1.6L 16 valves with over 120,000 miles each, and they run all day long at 4,000 rpm, with peaks of 5,000 to 5,500 rpm. Never a problem. These are Sidekicks number 4 and 5 for me. Numbers 1 through 3 performed equally well at high rpm's. The current crop both have Calmini headers.
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I'll throw my 2 cents in here. My wifes ZOOk has the 1600 16 valve and it has plety of horsepower to run 70-80 mph. We're getting ready to go up to 33's. By the time that you're done with the upgrades to the 1300 you could have gotten a 1600 8 or 16v and have plenty of power and fuel injection for the reliabilty factor. Keep and eye out for one in a boneyard, just when you think you can't find one, one will drop in your lap.
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