Those things are sweet!!!!!

[wanderer4x4]

1st - just cause in the US G-wagons, and Land Crusiers are expensive toys doesnt mean that they are elsewhere in the world . According to Benz factory #'s, 85% of all the G wagons ever made are diesel powered - that should tell you how few of the 'real' G-wagons there are in the US ( any Diesel G's in the US were private imports- they never even offer the HD versions for that market!!) Are you aware that the G-wagon is used as the frontline light duty vehicle by many armed forces?( 311 MX - I'd hope you do, if you're in the benz ELITE program, as you claim to be) I have no idea how the Toyota, or Rover numbers look for their functional vehciles..but I suspect its similar: they no longer offer the Defender in the N.American market , for example, and here in canada, we dont get any cruisers - just the new Lexus 4x4, whoch isnt the same thing by any stretch of the imagination.

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Incidentally, the much loved 'bargain' jeeps you keep spouting on about cost a hell of a lot more than my Niva: at the time of purchase ('91) a 4 cylinder YJ 'Sahara' was about double what my Niva cost ($16,500 vs $8700) ... and I got full time 4x4, a 3500 lb tow capacity, and room behind the back seat for cargo. In Germany, a base G-wagon costs less than a TJ, ditto Rover in europe, and Land Crusier in Japan.
So to turn the jeep question around on you: why are you driving that expensive piece of herd instinct yuppie status machinery with all the plastic, and chrome on it?? arrogance? showing off? trying to fit in?

thanks for the input - go back to the herd, and let the non conformers have their forum back.

chris.

[minipigg]

I paided 600 dollars for my first land cruiser.....i paid 1800 for my second...my third i paid 400 bucks...my fourth i paid 800....and bought a second off the same guy for 600 bucks....same cost? I think not....you really need to wake up.... a land cruiser will always be a better rig then a jeep...period. and the only pousers i see are all the jeeps (except for one) in my neighborhood of about 130 houses.....i have five jeeps on my street...none of them have ever been offroad....but hey they have the lift kit and the mud tires...shiny.. and a couple even have a winch on the front with a cover on it...wooooww... I guess thats to help them get out of a parking lot at the mall. lol
Every land cruiser i know does go offroad and that includes the 80 series. Now I do see more 80 series being driven onroad by people that just want a land cruiser to carry the family in? Does this make them pousers? I dont think so because they are all stock and dont have big oversized tires and lift kits on them. Most "are" driven by the mom in the family. I dont see anything wrong in this as I feel..as do many others...that the 80 series as well as other TLC wagons are extremely safe and a hell of a lot more safer then a jeep wagon. In my housing edition we have two toyotas which includes mine...they both get wheeled...and we have a nissan truck that gets wheeled...and there is a fullsized chevy blazer and a chevy 4x4 truck....a fullsized ford bronco.....these all get wheeled. The only one on my street is the nissan and he lives a few house down from me. He wheels his rig pretty hard. All the jeeps in our whole housing edition..besides the one I mentioned above...are all pousers because they do not wheel them...might get that chrome dirty you know...they are just into having "The Look" and that is what being a pouser is all about...having "The Look" and not using the rig for what you have built it for. I wheel everything I buy. I have owned several different types of 4x4's over the 20 years I have been wheeling. In that time I have never owned a winch....have I gotten stuck...dam straight I have...and you also right that during those times I wish I had a winch...but I do carry a shovel and other recovery gear and I dont mind freezin my arse off digging my rig out...and there have been times we have had to walk for miles to get to someones house we know...inorder to get out....and each time they would not allow us in the house because we were so muddy...from head to toe....but it always makes for a good story at the end of the day...and experience. Have I been stuck in a land cruiser...yes....the last time I was stuck I had a cable wrapped around my rear axle....it was linked to a post under the mudd...fricken tree huggers....anyway I had to climb under the rig...and hold my breath...feel around and get it off...took me a while.....then I rolled in a muddy water puddle to get most the nasty mudd off. Sometimes it is my aim to get stuck and get real muddy....as I am mainly into mud...climbing muddy hills...water crossings....wheelin thru clearcuts...streams.....etc...not much of a rock crawler although I have been thinking about that allot over the past few months.
My last TLC I paid 5000 usd for....It will outperform an 1988 cherokee and any other cherokee in stock form as mine was in stock form. I did look at buying a cherokee 1985 to 1991...because I can normally find a broken one...normally blown motor....and build it up....but from everyone I have spoken with the cherokee's between those years can not handle a chevy V8.... I was even told they would not handle a chevy 4.3...according to those on the jeep list I was told that I would have to change out the front and rear axles....the transmission...and even then the unibody would hold up under the conditions I wheel. This was a rig I would not have my kids in....like I said I have seen to many rollovers in cherokees and the front window frame rails always give out and crush. If I had it would need a full rollcage. You can say what you like...but dollar for dollar...the TLC wagon will always be better then a jeep wagon....and that is just a fact of life and always has been.

as for going off of posts? lol! give me a frickin break... you cant go off of posts to determine if a community wheels their rigs.... there are also other boards...and many people dont care about coming to BBS because they go on email groups. going off of posts to determine numbers of people that "actually" wheel their rigs... get real.
Oh and re-read my post about the pouser and his rig...and the lockers...he could have had lockers...i didnt say he didnt have them...i said he didnt look like he had them for the money he spent on this rig...because if he has spent that much money on this rig...then I would expect it to have cable or air lockers on it.... i bet he could have bought two jeeps for what he spent on the one.

These guys must be ghosts then eh?

http://www.tlca.org/clubs/index.html

http://www.toyotalandcruiser.dk/gall...p?TOPIC_ID=139

http://www.buschtaxi.de/

http://www.lcool.org/index.html

http://www.uppercanadacruisers.ca/members%20rigs.htm

http://www.off-road.com/tlc/readers_...igs_1999a.html

http://www.sadtler.de/FJ55-GARAGE/fj55-garage.html

http://users.lavalink.com.au/benno/Play.htm

http://www.rockcrawler.com/readersri...sp?Search=FJ40

http://www.caracasjeepsclub.com/home.html

[minipigg]

anyway..to get off the lamers jeep argument...lets get back on track and talk about what "this" forum is about.... and that is Unimogs.

[minipigg]

I wouldnt mind doing what tim has done with the mog frame and the nissan truck.... I would like to do it with a mog frame and 4runner tub. Then use a mercedes diesel and other benz stuff.

[minipigg]

Hey Chris...talking about miltary rigs....look at this page for Land Cruiser military rigs...the fellow isnt the best informed when it comes to the actual reason the TLC was developed...as well as some other information on that page... but the pictures are cool. [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

http://www.brian894x4.com/MILITARYTOYOTAS.html

[Sarge]

I'd love to have a TLC for a daily driver, just to take the strain off of my Samurai on mileage . With the way I've built it , it's gotten to be too high maintainence to drive a lot of miles . Not to mention a spring over Sami on 33's isn't exactly comfortable . Only had to be towed once, due to a cheap generic wheel bearing , learned a lesson on that one . Toys, Mogs, Pinz's , ect have always proven themselves in some of the worst places on the planet , too bad Jeepers never see it .
Sarge

Ok now I'm actually going to say a few things about unimogs instead of jeeps or tlcs. Ok first of what sticks out to me is saying that a mog will cost you 20k. You can find a mog for waaay cheaper then that. For example I found a 404 Radiotruck in Atlanta for 5000. The truck was in good running shape as far as I could tell. Granted I could get a jeep or something else for 1k but I am looking for a very solid stock vehicle that I don't have to put lots of money into to make a solid performer offroad. After I sell my old BII I am going to very seriously start looking for an older Unimog, preferably a crewcab albeit these are more expensive. I have found several in Atlanta, about 200 miles from my house. If anyone has real facts on how reliable a mog is I would really like to know. I haven't seen any information on the web such as sights that talk about fixing weak spots on mogs. Seems like one of the most difficult things would be changing the electrical system over from 24V to 12V if needed to run 12V accessories. Does anyone have good info I need to know to check out a mog before buying. Most trucks for sale say good shifting.. are the transmission or transfer cases suspect for breakage? If so are these hard to repair? I'm gonna go look around for new sites since the mog board here get like 1 post a month...

[minipigg]

yes you can find a mog for way cheaper then 20K..... I said 20K for one that has already been restored and has a nice paint job and normally with the highway transmission and is a crewcab. [img]images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

You can find singlecab mogs for under 5000 all the time. there is also a company out of washington state that will convert a 404 single into a convertable double cab for about 11000.