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Old 11-12-2001, 07:58 PM
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Default 305 TPI , Good Deal?

I ran across a 305 V8 TPI with alt,ps pump ac compressor on it. Less than 10,000 miles on it. From a Camaro, not sure of the year. They want $1500 including harness and computer.

I wasn't contemplating an engine swap right away but this seems like a good deal. I could probably get it for 1300.

Is this a good deal?

If I buy it what trannies could I use in the CJ, auto & manual?

Would I have problems finding things like headers to fit the CJ? Is this the same block as a 350? I would imagine I could hop it up easily?

Axles were next on my list but I may have to do this first. If it is a really good deal anyway!

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Ouch !! That seems a little steep. Are the miles on it low?? Was the vehicle in a wreck? Those are some things to look at,when considering the purchase of a used engine.

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This motor is anywhere from'85 to ''92. Up to '89 used a Mass air sensor which measures the air going into the thottle body, '90 to '92 used a Manifold Absolute Pressure sensor. You can narrow the year down by looking for the MAS on the air intake tube. The 305 was only 15hp less then the 350 in the early years at 215 hp. The TPI motors are great for low end torque. The 305 may even be a better choose(then the 350), it wouldn't as brutal on the rest of the drivetrain. Make sure you get everything, all the sensors, EMC, fuel pump, FP relays, and NO cut wires in the harness. Depending on the year, you may need a PROM change to delete the VATS(anti-theft system) and speed sensor.

This are awesome systems, with on board diagnostic(but its in the cars main harness, so get it to if possible), Limp Home Mode, if a major system or sensor malfunction happens, the ECM goes into "Limp Home" mode. This sets the timing at 22degrees and sets a slightly rich air/fuel mixture to keep the engine running without damaging it(for short distances).

It will bolt to a standard chevy bellhousing

I'd buy it If I where you. If it really only has 10k on it, you can't go wrong.


Been learning about these systems lately but still learning more.
I have an '88 IROC that I'm using the TPI from, to use on a small block 421 stroker motor.

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Default Re: 305 TPI , Good Deal?

Wayne speaks the truth...

At $1500 for everything, you have a good deal. I've seen just the TPI set up go for that at swap meets.
He's correct about the harness, and if the guy cut it up, you can beat him down on the price, and use a Painless or Az. Speed & Marine harness.
Az. Speed & Marine would have a PROM for your application also.
The Harness isn't a deal killer, but I'd get some money off for sure if he's cut it up.

This will make a GREAT trail engine!
Lots of low end torque, excellent throttle response, more horsepower than you will be able to apply to the ground, no off angle idle issues, great fuel milage (depending on gears), and virtually maintenance free except for the occasional oil change...

It's going to cost you at least $1,500 in just internal parts, not including machining and assembly, to rebuild any engine. Double that if you use parts and machining that will make horsepower....
(Average well built stock style engine, around $3,500 done correctly.)
And then throw in another $1,500 for the fuel injection...

I'd say if he will guarantee it in writing, JUMP ALL OVER IT!

No bill of sale, NO SALE! You don't want to add to the stolen car problems, and if he gives you a warranty, add it to the bill of sale.
Hand written is just fine, and will stand up in small claims court if he sold you a junker or stolen engine.

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10,000 miles seems awfully low for an engine that is at least 10 years old and could be up to 17 years old. Seems fishy to me that they know the mileage but not the year of the car it came out of.

There are ways to narrow down and even pinpoint the year of the engine and TPI system.

First look at the valve covers, do they bolt on with four bolt running down the center of the valve cover (87-up) or do they bolt on like the older standard small block Chevy valve covers (86-older) with two bolts on the top edge and two on the bottom.

If you can get the part number off the ECM that can help as well. 1985 used #1226870, 1986-1989 used #1227727 1990-1992 f-bodies used #1227730 and 1990-1992 Corvettes still used#1227727.

On 85-88 systems the fins on the upper plenum end 3-1/2 inches from where the throttle body bolts on. On newer models the fins end further back on the plenum and end more like 6 inches away from the throttle body.

Look on the drivers side at the very bottom of the small runner. If there is a cold start injector (looks like a fitting with a tube running out the side) then it is 85-88. If not it is an 89 and up system.

Look on the passenger side near the back of the plenum right behind the last runner. If there is a rectangular sensor there (MAP) then it is 90-92 system.

I have included a lot of overlapping cross checks here. If you check all of these things you will really narrow down the age of the system and should be able to tell if there are mix and match parts used to put together a complete system. Due to the differences between systems, mixing and matching parts is a bad idea unless you really know what you are doing with a TPI sytem.

As Wayne says, 1985-1989 is a mass airflow system. There will be a MAF sensor in the intake ducting. This system actually measures how much air the engine is using and combined with the oxygen sensor determines how much fuel to inject. The 90-92 system is a speed density system (no MAF sensor). It measure engine vacuum (MAP sensor), engine speed, and exhaust readings (O2 sensor) to make corrections based on a computer model of the engines fuel needs. The speed density system works fine on the engine it was programmed for but modifications or swapping onto a different engine often require a custom PROM chip with the new specs programmed in. MAF systems are more forgiving to engine modifications and use on different engines since they actually measure air flow. GM went back to a MAF system with the 93-up LT1 system.

BTW you don't want an LT1 engine in a Jeep, they have more high end HP but less low end torque. Even a 305 TPI system has better low end than an LT1 350. I know a guy who just got paid to swap an LT1 engine into a YJ for a customer who insisted on the LT1. It is now for sale by the customer, who is not happy with the results.

Personally I think $1500 is a little steep unless you can verify the mileage or condition of the engine. Or unless you get an ironclad warranty for 90-120 days. I would try to get the warranty to start AFTER install, so you get 90-120 days of running to check it out. If the guy is convinced it is good he will probably be willing to do this. I just bought a complete, running 1986 Trans Am for $900 with 140k on the clock. I know deals like that don't happen every day, but they are not that rare either. $1500 would be a very fair price if the engine is as fresh as they say and is totally complete.

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Default Re: 305 TPI , Good Deal?

I found out it is out of an 86 Trans Am not a Camaro. The motor is either a new crate motor or had been completely rebuilt. Is ther anyway to tell? It sure looks brand new, GM tags on the compressor & alt.

The T/A it is from was apparantly completely rebuilt before it was hit in the rear and totaled.

I think I have to buy this thing.

What else do I need to budget for?
Headers & Exhaust
Motor mounts
Radiator
Tranny (my t5 won't live long)
transfer case adapter
anything else?

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If this new information is true, then I'd jump on it with both feet if I were you. I would imagine that if it is a crate motor they either got a short block and redid the heads, or bought a long block. Either way it's worth the money. I can't help you on how to verify that it is a crate motor or a rebuild. I've never bought a crate motor. Maybe look at the oil pan for any painted over dents and dings vs. looking like a new pan etc. Basically, get it in writing.

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Default Re: 305 TPI , Good Deal?

Here is some information about TPI's
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GM Port Injection


GENERAL

The following information on GM Port Injection and GM Tuned PortInjection Systems has been compiled from GM published material andas a result of discussions with our technicians who have installed these systems on a variety of vehicles. It is to the best of our knowledge accurate.

HISTORY OF GM PORT INJECTION


The first production TUNED PORT INJECTION (TPI) appeared on General Motors vehicles in 1985. The GM vehicles built with these systems were Corvette, Pontiac Firebird & Trans AM, and the Chevrolet Camaro. These systems according to the manufacturer rendered up to 30 % improvement in Horsepower, torque and economy over carbureted systems, Independent labratories conducted numerous test on the TPI systems and indicated these claims were conservative and that increases of up to 35% in these three areas are attainable.


The 350/5.7L engines from the factory went from 205 HP (1984 Corvette/ crossfire injection) to 245 HP with the addition of TPI. The only differences were the addition of the TPI (1985) and improvements in the valve train (1987). Note that this is a 20% improvement over another proven form of fuel injection.

Several modifications have been made to the TPI system introduced in 1985. The 1985 system used a GM Part #1226870 ECM and had a Mass Air Flow (MAF) sensor and a MAFS module to control the power and burnoff functions for the MAFS. In 1986 two relays replaced the MAFS module and the Electronic Control Module (ECM) was changed to a GM part #1227165. In 1989 the cold start injector was deleted from the system. The primary injectors were used for cold starts via a fuel enrichment program in the newer EPROM calibrators. In 1990 GM introduced the speed density system. In essence the MAFS was replaced with a Manifold Air Pressure(MAP) Sensor. This system uses a ECM GM Part #1227727 for the Corvette.

Another fuel system was introduced in 1992 called Central Port Injection (CPI) and appeared first on the 4.3L (W) L35 Engine. This system is the equivalent of TPI for the V6 and will increase horsepower and torque by a factor of 20% over TBI. A 30 % increase in horsepower, torque and fuel economy is seen over carburetion.

The LT1 was also introduced in 92, as the basic engine in the Corvette. It appeared in the Firebird, Z28 (F Body Cars), Caprice, Buick and Cadillac in 93. 1993 was the last year for EPROM's in these cars. Opti-Spark also made its entry on the LT1 engine in 92.

In 94, OBDII or EEPROM, computers were first used in the Corvette and F Body Cars. This was the 1st year for Sequential port Injection in these cars.

In 96 the LT4 appeared in the manual trans Corvette, it is rated at 330 HP and 340 lb ft torque. It looks the same as the LT1, however the heads and valve train have been modified. The valves are larger 2.00 Int / 1.55 Exh from 1.94/1.50. Air passages are larger to enhance volumetric efficiency, hollow valve stems, aluminum roller rocker arms and stronger valve springs have also been added. The camshaft has more lift and a slight overlap at the end of the combustion cycle eliminating the need for EGR. The compression ratio is (Premium Gas Only) 10.8:1 compared to the 10.4:1 LT1. This engine makes 330HPat 5800 RPM and 330 lb ft Torque at 4500 RPM.
We flowed the heads on both the LT1 and LT4. LT1's flowed 195 CFM compared to 240 CFM for the LT4.

Ported LT1's also flow 240 CFM. Porting the LT4 will render 272 CFM.


For 96 all Chevrolet engines are Sequential Port and are equipped with On Board Dianostics Phase II (OBDII) PCM's. Sequential Central Port Injection is a standard on the 4.3L/4300, 5.0L/5000 L30, 5.7L/5700L31, and 7.4L/7400 L29 engines. What's nice about all this ?,...They will fit the old engines, but heads would also have to be changed on the 4300, 5000 and 5700 engines.
Retrofit kits are available from FIS. For Example, Sequential Tuned Port Injection or Sequential Central Port, both systems are available from FIS.

Other Technological mods include Cam Sensor / Crank Pos Sensors in lieu of distributors. EEPROM Computers, Vortec Heads, Mass Air Flow Sensor, Roller Cams / Roller hydraulic lifters come with all engines. Retrofit kits are now available, from FIS, for Sequential Port Injection which will fit the SB, BB and the 90 degree V6 GM Engines.


Electronic Control Module(ECM)
The ECM's provided with the original equipment MPFI systems are indicated below:


ECM
Y=Corvette F=Camaro ,Firebird, Trans-AM CK=GMC, CHEV trks
Model Year GMpartNo Engine
F,Y 1985 1226870 5.0L/5.7L
F,Y 1986-1989 1227165 5.0L/5.7L
F 1990-1992 1227730 5.0L/5.7L
Y 1990-1991 1227727 5.7L
Y 1992 16159278 5.7L LT1
F 1993 16159278 5.7L LT1

Powertrain Control Module (PCM)


The PCM is a programmable computer and does not contain a EPROM or calibrator as did its predecessor. The PCM contains a Electronically Eraseable Programmable Read Only Memory (EEPROM). This unit must be programed before being placed in service. These Units can be re- programed for any engine / transmission combination. All of these units are Sequential Port Fuel Injection (SEFI).

PCM
Model Year GMpartNo Engine
BF 1994-1995 16188051 5.7L LT1
Y 1994-1995 16181333 5.7L LT1/LT4
F,Y 1996 16214399 5.7L LT1
F 1997 16242921 5.7L LT1
F,Y 1997-1998 16238212 5.7L LS1
CK 1996-1997 16229684 4.3L,5.0L,5.7L,7.4L
16216568
16244210
CK 1998-1999 9359699 4.3L,5.0L,5.7L,7.4L
16250279
16258835


While each of these ECM's/PCM's will provide excellent performance for the Port and TPI systems, they are not interchangeable. That is a 1227165 will not plug in to a 1226870 harness and operate. The wiring for these systems are not interchangeable, without modifying the wiring harness. The LT1 PCM is not compatible with the earlier ECM's due to significant changes in the distributors of these engines.
The CK truck engines use a crank shaft sensor and camshaft position sensor to provide timing information to the engine.


CALIBRATORS

The calibrator is a Programmable Read Only Memory (PROM) Chip which is installed in the ECM. It is this device that provides specific information for the ECM and allows for different timing characteristics,and injector pulse width for the 5.0L / 5.7L engines. A Calpak, a separate chip on the Calibrator Modules, normally provides the information to the ECM for rear axle gear ratio on pre 90 models. Information for the vehicle Anti Theft system, auto / manual transmission, and emission control system, typically resides in the EPROM. To allow for the various Engines, transmission, gear ratio combinations and to meet national, international and state standards for emissions,a wide variety of these Calibrators are available from GM. After 1987 some calibrators incorporate a vehicle anti theft system (VATS). The ECM will not fire the injectors until it receives the proper signal from the VATS module. The 1985 TPI calibration is contained in a EPROM (Eraseable Programmable Read Only Memory) and is a 32K chip. The 1986-89 ECM contains a 128K EPROM, 90-92 ECM's use a 256K EPROM. The 94 Plus EEPROM is even larger. The factory ECM/PCM has a Learning capability which allows it to make corrections for minor variations in the fuel system to improve performance and driveability. There are two learning features. The Integrator and Block Learn (I and BL) and Block Learn Memory (BLM) cell. The I and BL feature is normal with a value of around 128. If this value is higher than 128, it indicates that the ECM is adding fuel to the base fuel calculation because the system is running lean, a value lower than 128 indicates that the ECM is taking out fuel because the system is running rich. The integrator is a short term corrective action while the BLM is along term correction. The BLM value will change if the integrator has seen a condition which lasts for a longer period of time. There are from two to sixteen different cells which the ECM modifies, dependingon RPM, airflow or manifold air pressure and other conditions suchas AC "ON" or "OFF", etc. The ECM learns how much adjustment is required in each cell, retains it in memory, and applies these adjustments when the engine operates in that cell or RPM - Load Range. These features of the OEM ECM allows the system to adjust itself AUTOMATICALLY to your engine and assure peak performance for stock and other than stock engines. When the vehicle power is disconnected for repair or to clear diagnostic codes, the learning process has to begin all over again. To TEACH the ECM, drive the vehicle at operating temperature with moderate acceleration and idle conditions. Performance Calibrations typically change the parameters for fuel flow, fuel cut-off and spark advance-timing and will allow increased fuel flow and modify the spark advance curves during rapid acceleration.

WHAT THE ECM - PCM DOES: The 1985-1988 TPI system utilizes the following sensors and devices to control the engine: Mass Air Flow Sensor, Manifold Air Temperature, Coolant Temperature, Oxygen Sensor, Throttle Position Sensor, Cold Start Switch, Cold Start Injector Fuel Injectors, Idle Air Control Valve, Distributor Electric Spark Timing, (Module in distributor TPI) Electric Spark Control, Module and Knock Sensor.

When the starter is engaged and the coolant temperature is less than 100 deg F. The cold start injector provides a spray of fuel, of 8 seconds duration max, to each cylinder via a air distribution system built into the intake manifold. If the engine temperature is greater than 100 deg F, the cold start injector is disabled by the cold start switch. Upon startup the ECM utilizes information in the calibrator to establish the initial pulse rate for the injectors and the engine starts. At this time the engine is operating in open loop mode and will continue to do so until the engine warms up. After the warm up period the ECM scans the sensors, if all sensors are operating and within their proper range, the engine then goes into closed loop operation. This means that the sensors are dynamically controlling the engine. In the event the information received is higher or lower than the normal range, a code will set in the ECM, and the Check Engine or Service Engine Soon light will come "on". The ECM receives information on air flow, engine temperature, air temperature, exhaust gas oxygen content and throttle position. This information is used to calculate the proper pulse width for the injectors and fires the injectors for the calculated period. This procedure is repeated continuously in very rapid sequence to maintain the optimum fuel air ratio. The electronic spark control components provide maximum advance, if engine knock is detected the spark is automatically retarded. This too, is a continuous process. It should be noted that the following components are MATCHED for optimum performance; Distributor - EST module, ESC module, knock sensor and ECM calibrator. These components are not interchangeable between 5.0L - 5.7L engines. 5.7L components referenced are recommended for 327 - 400 CID engines. 5.0L components are recommended for 265- 305 CID engines.

In 1989 the cold start injector was deleted. The calibrator provides a wider pulse width on startup to provide a richer mixture for a cold engine. All other features are the same. In 1990 the MAF was replaced with the MAP sensor, in 94 the MAF returned with a MAP sensor. The1990-92 TPI system still operates the same except that Manifold AirPressure is used to calculate injector pulse width as opposed to airflow. The 1990-94 TPI - LT1 system also uses a more sophisticated VATS system to disable the injectors. A resistor is embedded in the ignition key. The resistance is read by a VATS module (Camaro, Firebird and Trans AM) or a Command Control Module (CCM) for the corvette. If the key is the right resistance a signal is sent to the ECM enabling the injector circuit. If the sequence or the resistance is not correct,the engine will not start.

The PCM introduced in the 1994 Corvette, Camaro and Firebirds for the LT1 engine accomplishes the same functions as the earlier modelsin much the same way, but there are some significant differences. The 94 and up LT1 is a sequential port fuel injection system. The injectors are fired in coordination with the opening of the intake valve. The distributor and electrical spark timing system, now referred to as "Opti-Spark Control", has an optical sensor which counts light pulses through a perforated disc in the distributor. There is NO timing adjustment for the LT1. The Mass Air flow sensor is back in 94 and is one of the primary sensors for fuel control. The MAP sensor is a backup for the mass air flow sensor. All other sensors are the same except that the TPS is no longer adjustable. The only adjustment is idle control, and this too is factory set.

The 96 OBDII engines all use EEPROM computers making Chip technology something from the past. These PCM's and VCM's have the ability to determine a cylinder misfire and will even tell you which cylinder midfired. Opti-Spark is now the standard ignition system on 5.7L LT1-LT4 engines. For 96 a combination crankshaft position sensor and cam shaft position sensor perform the timing functions on all the 4.3L, 5.0L 5.7L and the 7.4L engines.
The LS1 is now the new small block appearing in the Corvette in 97 and the Camaro / Firebird in 98. The LS1 does not have a distributor. The PCM uses the information from the crank and camshaft position sensors to calculate timing and fires the individual ignition coils.

One thing is CLEAR, Innovation is alive at GM.


CASTINGS

The 1985-86 intake manifolds will fit the older small block heads without modification. In 1987 and up, the heads were designed with vertical bolt taps for the two center bolts on both sides of the intake manifold. With a little drilling the newer manifolds will fit the older style heads. The intake manifolds are therefore interchangeable for all small engines. The plenum is interchangeable for all model years thru 1990. The 1990 and up have tapped holes for the mounting of a MAP sensor (right rear of plenum). The throttle body is different on 90 and later models, modifications can be made to the plenum to use the 90+ Throttle Body by drillling a hole in the front of the plenum. Intake tubes (runners) are interchangeable for all model years, however the left intake tube through 1988 has a mounting for the cold start injector, for 89 and up this mounting is deleted.
NOTE: Throttlebodies 85-88 are the same and must be matched to plenums 85-88. To work properly on 90 and up plenums a hole (1/2") must be drilled, between the intake openings where the throttle body mounts, to allow for passage of idle air from the IACV to the plenum. 89 and up throttlebodies will work on earlier plenums without modifications.

LT1 Throttlebodies

The 93 Throttlebody on the LT1 engine is similar to the TPI, but does not have an EGR port. The throttle linkage lever is also slightly diffetent. The 93 throttlebody does have a stud for the trans TVS cable. The 94 and up units do not. If you are using a 700R4 / Turbo 350 transmission, a stud will have to be mounted for the TVS cable.


FUEL RAILS
Stamped - F=Camaro, Pontiac Y=Corvette
Number 5.0L 5.7L Bosch Lucas Multec Rochester Veh Year
17085052 X X F 85-87
17087264 X X F 87-88
17089024 X X F 89
17080100 X X F 90-91
17085050 X X Y 85
17085019 X X FY 86-87
17086106 X X FY 86-87
17087265 X X FY 87-88
17087266 X X FY 87
17088065 X X FY 88
17089025 X X FY 89
17089026 X X FY 89
17090101 X X FY 90-(92F)
17090102 X X FY 90-(92F)
17094083 X X FY 93-96 LT1
17095152 X X Y 96 LT4




TPI Fuel Rails
The TPI fuel rails have a few differences. If the left side fuel rail has a fitting at the end close to the firewall it is from a 1985-88system. The fitting is for connection of the cold start injector fuel line. The left side fuel rail is stamped at the factory to identify same with the engine. The Fuel Rail Identification Table above will assist you in identifying your system as a 5.0L / 5.7L and the injectors furnished with those systems.

LT1 / LT4 fuel rails

The 93 Fuel rails do not have a crossover tube at the front of the intake, nor does the intake have provisions for the crossover. The crossover setup is on all 94-97 LT1 engines. The fuel supply and return lines are on the left side of Camaro, Caprice, Cadillac and Buick engines. The Corvette has both the fuel lines on the right hand side.

LS1 Fuel rails

The 97 LS1 has provisions for a supply and return line. The 98 and up fuel rails have a supply line only. The fuel system of the 98 LS1 has a regulator built in to the fuel pump return assembly the return line is from a "T" fitting between the fuel filter and the engine.




Distributors

All 85-86 systems used a GM HEI distributor. The connector for the distributor is keyed differently than previous model years. 87-92Camaro and +Pontiac systems use a small diameter distributor with an external coil. 87-91 Corvette's still use the HEI distributor. Either distributor will work, however the connectors are different. FIS can furnish adaptors -connectors for either application. The HEI Distributor for the 85-86 5.0L engine has the number 1103679 stampedin the aluminum casting at the base of the distributor. The 85-91 5.7L HEI unit is stamped 1103680. The smaller diameter (72mm) distributor is stamped 1103479 on the metal plate beneath the distributor. The72mm Distributor was furnished with 5.0L/5.7L engines on the Camaro,and Pontiac engines 87-92.

As mentioned earlier the LT1/LT4 has an optical sensor and is significantly different than the HEI system. Distributors are not interchangeable for these different engines.

Fuel Pumps

The OEM fuel pump for TPI/LT1 is an "in tank" fuel pump with an operating rating of 50 PSI and 24 GPH. This pump is recommended for all vehicles with in-tank pump mountings. We also offer a chassis mounted fuelpump which has an operating rating of 60 PSI and 30 GPH. This pump is also an AC DELCO unit. It is important to note that Throttle Body Injection systems operate at 12 PSI. Almost all carbureted systems operate at low pressure utilizing a mechanical pump. An electric pump is definitely required as referenced above for all Port Injection systems. A return line is required to the fuel tank. A 3/8 or 5/16inch supply line is required. 3/8 is recommended. 5/16 inch is recommended for the return line. The fuel tank must be vented so as not to buildup pressure. Recommended location for the fuel pump is close to the fuel tank.

Fuel Injectors

There are a number of Fuel Injectors on the market today the following injectors have been furnished on GM OEM systems: Lucas, Bosch, Rochestor and Multec. The prices vary considerably and performance differences are hard to detect. Basically they are sized for application. The 5.0L injector is sized to deliver approximately 4.05 milligrams of fuel with a 2.5 millisecond pulse or 18.13 lbs per hr at approximately 36 PSI. The 57L injector is sized to deliver approximately 4.83 milligrams of fuel with a 2.5 millisecond pulse or 23.92 lbs per hr at approximately 43.5 PSI. This information is typical for all manufacturers and flow rates will vary slightly even between identicle injectors.

Lucas is presently pushing their new High Output Disc Injector and is referred to as a High Performance Injector. This product was introduced in March of 9l. They are competitively priced at approx $60.00 each. A wide variety of flow rates are available to include 18lb/hr, 24lb/hr,28lb/hr, 37 lb/hr. These are all 16.2 Ohms and will work well with all GM TPI ECM's Rochestor injectors are presently furnished for the 90-94 GM 5.7L engine. It has an all metal nozzle and performs well. Priced at approx $75.00 each. Bosch injectors are also an excellent choice at approx $87.00 each.

While there are significant differences between the TPI and LT1 induction systems and computers, the injectors are essentially the same. Sequentialport injectors and batch fired injectors are sized in the same manner. We regret that we have not been able to make DYNO comparisons of these products. We will be glad to share whatever we hear on this subject with you when you call. FIS stocks all of the injectors referenced.

Wiring Harnesses

The 1985 Engine Harness for all vehicles incorporates a MAFS module which plugs into the harness in the vicinity of the ECM. If you are purchasing a system thru a salvage yard, be sure to secure this component which mounts piggy back on the ECM. A single relay and the ESC module are mounted on a common bracket in the engine compartment. The relay is the fuel pump relay.

The 1986-89 Harness has three relays and the ESC module mounted in the engine compartment. The 89 harness does not incorporate connectorsfor the cold start system. Please note that a mass air flow sensoris required on all systems thru l989. Please note that while the connectors for the 85 ECM and the 86-89 ECM are the same, they are NOT interchangeable.The ECM's are different.

The 90-92 systems are considerably different than their predecessors. The 90-92 systems use a Manifold Air Pressure (MAP) sensor in lieu of the Mass Air Flow Sensor. This system is referred to as a Speed Density System. The Electric Spark Control (ESC) module is also incorporated in the ECM. All hardware components remain the same ie., intake runners, fuel rails, throttle body, distri butor and intake manifold. The EST module, in the distributor and knock sensors are different than the earlier models and must be matched. All hardware components are interchangeable with earlier models.

While the 90-92 systems are cheaper to manufacture, it is questionable as to whether Speed density is better than the Mass Air Flow System, especially when GM brought the MAF back in the 94 LT1. But who are we to question GM engineering. All systems appear to perform very well indeed. The 90-94 system has a single relay for the fuel pump mounted in the engine compartment. There is no ESC module as previously discussed. These functions are performed by a module in the ECM/PCM. The ECM's for the 90- 92 Camaro and Pontiac are different than the 90/91 Corvette.

The Pontiac and Camaro use a 1227730 ECM and the Corvette uses a 1227727 ECM. The difference between the two is in the ECM enclosure and ECM connectors. The Corvette enclosure is built for mounting in the engine compartment. Camaro/ Pontiac are built for mounting in the passenger compartment. Internally they are the same. Calibrators are interchangeable. It should also be noted that the Assembly Line Diagnostic Link (ALDL) connector ISNOT normally part of the Factory Engine Harness. It is normally part of the instrument panel harness. The factory engine harness also includes a number of connectors which are not required for "Off Road Use". These connectors are Air Management, Transmission, EGR, Electric Fan, Instrument Panel Oil Pressure Sender, Water Temperature sender, AC High Pressure Switch, VSS and VATS module to mention a few.

From 94 and up its the PCM and no calibrators. The PCM for the LT1 is the same in the Corvette, Camaro, Firebird, Buick and Caprice. This unit is Programmable as previously discussed. These units are completely different than their predecessors. FIS can program these units for any LT1/engine transmission combination. Performance and special calibrations are also available.
In 96 OBDII computers were introduced. These computers require a full compliment of emissions equipment, ie., 4 O2 sensors, EGR control and air pumps on passenger car engines. The LT1 engines 96 and up will work with 94 electronics and can be st up for 'Off Road' applications. The Vortec V8' can also be retro-fitted with earlier electronics for "off road" applications. The LS1, however requires a full compliment of emissions equipment. The 98 GM trucks incorporate a "Passlock" system that is similar to the earlier "Passkey" system found in passenger cars (Vehicle Anti Theft System). It is easier to use a 96-97 computer than it is to try and run the 98 computer with a passlock system.

1997 Chevrolet introduced the LS1 in the C5 Corvette. This is an aluminum block engine which produces 345HP and 340 ft/lb torque. These engines do not have distributors. All timing is done via a crank shaft and camshaft position sensor. The reluctor for engine timing is secured, internally, to the crankshaft at the rear of the block. There is a separate ignition coil for each cylinder. 1999 The 4.8L-LR4 / 5.3L-LM7 / 6.0L-LQ4 engines appeared in the GM trucks for the 1st time. These engines are of the same basic design as the LS1, in fact many of the parts are interchangeable. There will be some neat combinations made in the near future by swapping crankshafts etc.

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Dave,,,,,,, If you only have that limited amount of info,,, why bother posting it [img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]

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Wayne, I used the copy / paste function from a mouse right click. I only wish I had such a limited amount of info. I figured the people at Fuel Injections Specialties would not be upset with me posting their info ... as long as I included there business info in the post.[img]/wwwthreads_images/icons/smile.gif[/img]
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