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Old 11-05-2009, 05:07 PM
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im sure they will let me know with the blue lights. maybe ill have to post some pix, but i think they are in my profile???
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Depends on Georgia law. Last time I checked in Illinois the vehicle didn't need much more than brakes on at least two wheels, headlights, brake light and tail light - just one if the vehicle was built that way. In the early '60s the local gendarmes were writing vehicle defect tickets to guys who had removed the front bumper - better quarter mile times with the weight off the front. After a while someone fought the ticket and it was determined that bumpers weren't required by law.
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Windshield wiper but windshield is not required. If windshield is present, there is a limit on the cracks.

Left outside mirror and right if it was standard original equipment.

Turn signals if standard original equipment.
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im sure they will let me know with the blue lights. maybe ill have to post some pix, but i think they are in my profile???
We have gone though this in most states with the antique and classic cars we have at the shop...
Usually around 50 cars at any given time out to several states in the spring/summer/fall, so we have been inspected and ticketed for the most stupid things you can imagine!
Our guys are out at SEMA right now, and one got a ticket today for 'Distracted Driving' for having the radio turned up loud enough the cops could hear it more than 100 feet away from the vehicle...

Last year we took TWO tickets for having bumpers lower than the factory specifications...
It's an AIR SUSPENION COMPANY!
We specialize in Low, Smooth..... Cool.

One of the bumper tickets was accompanied with a ticket for having the head lights below state minimum height.
So TRUST ME, I've researched this quite throughly!
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Federal DOT law says you need brakes on all wheels that the vehicle came out with from the factory,
And vehicles that are operated on federal interstate highways must have brakes on all wheels regardless of production year.

Seat belts if equipped from the factory, Federal interstate travel requires seat belts for all occupants.
Most states have seat belt laws that DO NOT exempt vehicles made before the seat belt laws... Unless you have the proper antique registration and insurance for that particular vehicle...

You are required to have TWO of the following,
Drivers side outside mirror on all vehicles,
BUT,
If you can see out the back window, then you can get away with having just the inside rear view mirror with the drivers side outside mirror.
If you can't see out the back window, then you are required to have TWO outside mirrors, one on both sides.

Some states require you have the interior rear view mirror if your vehicle came with one, no matter if you have the back window blocked and have an outside mirror on the passenger side.... Stupid law, but it's out there.

Federal DOT law (interstate travel) requires you not only to have drivers outside mirror and passenger outside mirror,
but requires you have 'Blind Spot' coverage also.
That's where those funky 'Objects Are Closer Than They Appear' mirrors came from!
Trying to get one mirror to do two jobs, and we all know how that turned out!...

Tail lights are required, two for federal interstate travel,
And turn signals if equipped from the factory, Required for federal interstate travel,

At least one stop light, two or more for federal interstate travel,
(Hence those old magnetic stick on lights we used to see on the older vehicles as kids, so the guys with old single stop light cars could use the interstates)

One primary SET of driving lights in the front (head lights),
And one set of 'Secondary' white lights for most states highways and all federal interstate travel,

Park/Turn if equipped from the factory, Required for federal interstate travel,

Windscreen or eye protection, windscreens required for any vehicles with 3 or more wheels on federal interstates,

Wind screen has to be laminated safety glass in all 50 states, and the only way around that law is with antique or classic car registration with specialized insurance.

Feds REQUIRE anti-spalling/safety glass windows all around on any federally controlled interstate highway.
They don't care how old the vehicle is, no exceptions.

Windscreen wipers for state roads in all 50 states, Required for all federal interstates.

DOT rated tires and wheels, many of the wheels off roaders use are NOT DOT rated,
So called 'Bead Locks' are NOT allowed on any Federal interstate, and many states have them listed as 'Illegal'...
(Since there is no DOT rated factory bead lock rim.)
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That's why you don't see Model 'T' and other 'Vintage' cars on interstates for the cross country 'Races'...
It's technically 'Illegal' for many of them to operate on interstate highways.

Many states have rules on how wide finder flairs can be off the side of the 'Common Body And/Or Passenger Compartment',

Rules on how much tire can stick out from under the body of the vehicle or the fender flair,

Bumper height laws, distance from the ground on headlights (max. and min.)

Not to mention that most interstates have Minimum Speed laws that the crawler guys can't hope to maintain for very long, if they can get up to minimum speed at all...
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And this isn't even for the FEDERAL DOT CONTROLLED VEHICLES LIKE BIG TRUCKS!
Regulations for big trucks (DOT CONTROLLED VEHICLES) is much more stringent than for passenger cars.

Things like first aid kits, fire extinguishers, Jacks and replacment tires, Highway signaling flairs and/or reflectors, stringent vehicle inspections, special licensing, ect. are REQUIRED for any DOT vehicle...
On duty or not!

We are required to have 'HazMat' (hazardous materials) placards and HazMat licensing of the driver, specal inspections of the truck/trailer on our racing trailer because we transport more than 60 gallons of racing fuel in the trailer,
And they DO include the fuel tanks of the race cars!
And that is REQUIRED even if it's not Nitro-Methane or other potential explosive fuel, just plain old high octane racing gasoline! ('Blue Gas' for you racer types!)
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Just out of curiosity,
Do any of the old farts remember the cars with a single rear stop light, larger than the signal lights,
That actually had the word 'STOP' printed on the lens?
Sometimes the printing on the lens would actually look like a stop sign with the word STOP in the middle!

Why did they usually put that light on the PASSENGER side of the vehicle? Does anyone know?

I've always wondered that, but no one in 40 years has been able to tell me why the passenger side and not the drivers side where it would do the most good...

That is one of those questions I've always wondered about but never got a logical answer to it...
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I think you mean one on each side.

Yeah, I remember those lights that have "stop" on them. I don't recall though whether I ever saw them on the street, or just at antique car shows. Probably the latter.
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Just out of curiosity,
Do any of the old farts remember the cars with a single rear stop light, larger than the signal lights,
That actually had the word 'STOP' printed on the lens?
Sometimes the printing on the lens would actually look like a stop sign with the word STOP in the middle!
I remember the single stop lamp in the middle but it wouldn’t have looked like a stop sign. Stop signs were yellow with black lettering. Maybe you are talking after market.

I remember an after market stop signal that hung in the back window with the red, yellow and green lights. I suppose the green and yellow were controlled by a vacuum switch and the red tied into the brake lights. There were also several stuffed animals that had red light up eyes, the cat made a comeback several years ago.
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OK, ya ol' farts... how many people remember semiphore turn signals on trucks and cars? I used to have them on my '54 VW Bettle. They were the bee's knees.
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Yeah, I remember those semaphore signals, but only on foreign cars - European, and maybe early Japanese. My '72 Honda 600 Coupe had regular signal lights only, but I think I saw pictures of home-market models with semaphore signals.

I remember the black-on-yellow stop signs, but the STOP lights on cars were black lettering on a red lense, I think on only one side of the car, but I couldn't retreive which side from my feeble memory, so I can't confirm that they were on the right. I also remember red-yellow-green traffic signals where the red lense said "STOP" on it.
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See, I can find people that remember the 'STOP' light in the back, usually bigger than the other tail lights/corner markers,
But I can't find anyone that can tell me why they were normally mounted on the passenger side!

Round lens, about 6" or 8" in diameter, painted internally to say 'STOP' when the bulb lit.
Saw them a lot on the old round ('Fat') fender cars, and they were usually on a stand riveted to the fender, stood off about 8" or so from the fender...

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LEVE, I've never seen the Volkswagon semi-fore turns signals, but I've read about them, seen pictures of stop posts that had semi-fore arms instead of lights.
Was it something like those?
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Anyway, back to 'Legal'...
I got a ticket in Georgia once for riding my motorcycle with only one hand...
Didn't have both hands on the handle bars.

Since it was a 'Suicide' shift, it was quite impossible to keep both hands on the handle bars when shifting, and it was an orignal/restored bike, came from the factory like that.

Judge didn't care, and I think the fine was $55 back then.
The judge seemed kind of upset that anyone would challenge a ticket in his jurisdiction, and the entire 'Trial' took a total of 10 minutes!
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As for 'Legal' on the street,
I almost forgot the MUFFLER!

Exhaust pipe has to EXIT the passenger compartment also,
Can't just stop the exhaust at header mufflers under the vehicle and be legal.
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