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Ah yes, he did say direct injection. Sorry, I read it as direct ignition.

Car makers are under alot of pressure to show theirs doesn't need much maintenance. If it lasts the warranty period, they are happy. They really don't want their vehicles to last much beyond the warranty period - so you'll need another new one.

Some of us put lots of miles on them - way beyond the warranty.
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Indeed we do. Engines long outlast their chassis in most cases. I wish they would de-sophisticate automatic transmissions or refine them enough to go the distance.

The average ownship is stretched out to about 12-13 years. Most major systems start needing service shortly after this time. Racks- Power steering, the air conditioning is probably shot. ...radiator (not a biggie) ..heater core (biggie) and all the parts are long obsolete and expensive.

I'd love to see the domestically designed engine that grenaded anywhere near the warranty end. Most cars could drive to the junkyard ..other than a bad trans or a snapped timing belt.

They're worth more in scrap. The reason is due to one simple thing. They produced too many units. Why do you think a Honda Civic is worth almost as much as you paid for it when it is paid off (used to - but the value is still high)?? It's because they built to demand and sold every one that they made. They charged a reasonable ROI on the product. A domestic car, otoh, had to sell so many units to "pay the bills" ..that's why they were leasing high end Explorers for $269/month with some trade/cash of the sales cost (somewhere around $2500). How much would a used Explorer be worth if 1/4 of the units were produces ..as oppose to them giving them away??

That's what retires a domestic automobile. Commonality and that there's no reason to fix the thing. Just buy another one in better shape for less money.

For anyone interested, here's some real good papers on many aspects of oil/lubrication. #10 is on base oils. It gives a time line for many landmark developements. I just read #11 today. #11 is on the various states of lubrication (hydrodynamic/mixed/boundary). A good bit on journal bearings. Very easy to follow (I understood it). These are much better than SAE technical papers in that they aren't trying to endure peer review and impress their contemporaries with how complicated they can present the information.

http://www.zddplus.com/TechBrief10%2...e%20Stocks.pdf
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"""""I'd love to see the domestically designed engine that grenaded anywhere near the warranty end."""""

Not changing oil sure helps that!
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Let me give Rich this one bone here. There is no real downside to changing oil too early other than the "rhetorical" waste. As long as you recylce it, it's going to go somewhere. If consumer demand decreases too much, you'll start seeing rebates and mass close outs. That's because we've got too much material to process. They have to do something with it. You can't store it. You can't dump it. So, essentially, lubricating oil production for consumer use is a "value added" disposal process. You run it through your car, you recycle it, and it most likely ends up as a fuel product. Rerefining (SafetyKleen) doesn't result in a radical cost reduction in price. It's merely competitive with virgin product.

So, change away. Oil is cheap. Many of us enjoy servicing our engines, and changing oil is one of those tasks. I've been into extended drains where practical since 1975 or so when I put my first fill of Mobil 1 5w-20 in my C20 350 4bbl. I'll also mention that I have a beater extended fleet. Those get 6month OCI's on whatever is on sale or in the stash.

My personal ride (my 2.5) is running an experimental 0w-10 synthetic from a small blender on the west coast. It's a PAO synthetic and additized to SL levels and highly friction modified. If I don't grind my cam into dust, I might have him blend up a 55 gallon drum ..but at $25/gallon his costs, I may wait a bit. So far I've only tested it to 5000 miles. He sends me 5 gallon pails of the stuff gratis for the fun of it.
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