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Old 04-23-2004, 10:08 AM
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Default Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

Hi Folks,

Im considering an axle swap for the rear of my 91 YJ. I plan to do a springover as well.

Conventional wisdom says that I, being "budget minded" (poor), should use a Ford 8.8 out of an Explorer. This is good if I can find one with 4.10 gears, Trac-Loc, and disk brakes. All well and good.

But why not use a Toyota axle? It has an 8.4 ring gear, and can be found with 4.10 gears and an electric locker, I dunno what the brakes are. But the capability of a full open/ full locked diff is attractive.

Theyre both "close" in width, ie within adjustment by wheel spacers.

Im looking for real reasons not to here, so fire away.
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

Bolt pattern is about the only reason. The Toyota that comes with a locker will be a 6 bolt, and already as wide as your rear axle now. You can get adpaters to swap the pattern back to stock, but that just makes the rear axle wider then the front. If you get the adapters for the front to make it match the Toyota then you'll be buying a new set of rims.
It's just $$
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

besides wheel bolt pattern.... SACRALIDGE! [img]images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

Like you I'm thrifty (cheap & broke) but If the $$$$$$ work for you, go for it. But like previously mentioned the wheel costs may sink it for you. I've seen the toyota axles under Jeeps & Scouts but can't remember only one axle.
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

I have a similar opportunity, I have an early 80's <nobr>toyota</nobr> <nobr>4x4</nobr> that was given to me. So FREE axles!

Are there any benefits in swaping axles besides the fact that Im running narrowtracks right now?
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Old 04-23-2004, 06:16 PM
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

I hadnt considered the bolt issue, but would it be too hard to have the axle shaft ends redrilled? I know that can be done.

And I dont see 'yota axles as being any worse under a Jeep than International Harvester or Ford axles, as far as religion goes. Im not a Jeep zealot by any means. Though I do love my Jeep, I dont pray before it, and I realize that it has shortcoming that need to be addressed before I take it into harms way.

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Old 04-23-2004, 06:34 PM
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

It would not be my axle of choice, as they are not a strong Axle and you guys must be able to get something better from a bone yard
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

77CJ7, the toyota axles shoulf work great. They probably come with 4.10 R&amp;P. The guys that break alot of gears are usually running 5.29 or such. Toy shafts seem to be made of better metal than spicer, you don't see many break. The front axle is about as strong as a d30 stock, but you can get longfield birfs for about $200 to make it much stronger than a stock d44. They're about 3" wider than you have now. High steer is easier/cheaper than with dana's. And the driveshaft u-joints can take more angle than any others.
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

Thanks,

I know a few guys running these right now. My only delima is wether or not to set them up for SUA.
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Default Re: Why not swap a Toyota axle w/ Locker?

I know some 2x4 toys came with 5x4.5 bolt pattern axles but they are pretty narrow (54-56" wide if i'm not mistaken). The toy axles with electric lockers came under tacomas and some land cruisers. I don't know the width but i'm pretty sure they are 6 lug. Those axles are going to be expensive to find and i'm not sure if they have disc brakes or not. Your cheepest option is an 8.8. They can be had with 4.10's and dics brakes for under $350 if you look around then it's about another $100 for other parts to put one in. Just about any locker you want you can get for them. My advice is to get one with an open diff so you can go with a lunch box locker if you don't want to spend the money for a full locker.

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